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Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:16pm

Ive been flabbergasted by the technical idiocy of so many posters who apparently were asleep in science class as well as many other classes.

Ive read posters talking about the superiority of fibre optic because it 'operates at the speed of light' whereas the copper does not and the first prize definately goes to equitist who believes wireless operates at the speed of sound.

the copper network operates at approximately 96-99% of the speed of light. fibre operates at around the same speed. wireless - being electromagnetic waves JUST LIKE LIGHT also operates at - you guessed it - the speed of light.

what truly staggers me is how any of you dimwits could possibly think differently. did it not occur to you that when you speak on the phone (either wireless or copper) to someone overseas why there is no delay? did that not twig you 'minds' that voice travelling virtually instantaneously over 15,000km or more might be travelling a bit faster than the speed of sound? or when NASA spoke to apollo 11 the wireless signal didnt take 2 weeks to get there?

some of you are strange, strange people.

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Reply #1 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:16pm:

Ive been flabbergasted by the technical idiocy of so many posters who apparently were asleep in science class as well as many other classes.

Ive read posters talking about the superiority of fibre optic because it 'operates at the speed of light' whereas the copper does not and the first prize definately goes to equitist who believes wireless operates at the speed of sound.

the copper network operates at approximately 96-99% of the speed of light. fibre operates at around the same speed. wireless - being electromagnetic waves JUST LIKE LIGHT also operates at - you guessed it - the speed of light.

what truly staggers me is how any of you dimwits could possibly think differently. did it not occur to you that when you speak on the phone (either wireless or copper) to someone overseas why there is no delay? did that not twig you 'minds' that voice travelling virtually instantaneously over 15,000km or more might be travelling a bit faster than the speed of sound? or when NASA spoke to apollo 11 the wireless signal didnt take 2 weeks to get there?

some of you are strange, strange people.

tell me then longy why is it when you use VoIP phone there is always a delay when you are useing it? Why also when a live news report is on TV from some countries there is also a delay?

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Reply #2 - Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:44pm

Are you thick riverena Jack?

1) treasury have already stated the obvious...

http://www.treasury.gov.au/documents/1858/PDF/04_Appendix_C.pdf

2) GALP aren't even prepared to lay out a fraction of the cost with respects to doing a cost/benefit analysis on their NBN.

Sorry dude, but this can only mean one thing.....

Don't hang by your neck...

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Reply #3 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 12:04am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:16pm:

Ive been flabbergasted by the technical idiocy of so many posters who apparently were asleep in science class as well as many other classes.

Ive read posters talking about the superiority of fibre optic because it 'operates at the speed of light' whereas the copper does not and the first prize definately goes to equitist who believes wireless operates at the speed of sound.

the copper network operates at approximately 96-99% of the speed of light. fibre operates at around the same speed. wireless - being electromagnetic waves JUST LIKE LIGHT also operates at - you guessed it - the speed of light.

what truly staggers me is how any of you dimwits could possibly think differently. did it not occur to you that when you speak on the phone (either wireless or copper) to someone overseas why there is no delay? did that not twig you 'minds' that voice travelling virtually instantaneously over 15,000km or more might be travelling a bit faster than the speed of sound? or when NASA spoke to apollo 11 the wireless signal didnt take 2 weeks to get there?

some of you are strange, strange people.

I did not mention copper transmission at all but I obviously have a sizeable gap in my knowledge of the physics of wireless technology...

Therefore, it is with great embarrassment that I accept my prize!

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Reply #5 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 12:16am

Equitist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 12:12am:

OK, now that I have graciously accepted my dubious prize, dare I suggest that: this thread does not belong in the 'Politicians Suck' forum!?

Unless, of course, someone has figured out my real identity!?

Nope, I have no idea who you are, and would rather not know.

... for I don't want the feisty arrangement to change between us... Wink

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Reply #6 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 12:25am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:16pm:

Ive been flabbergasted by the technical idiocy of so many posters who apparently were asleep in science class as well as many other classes.

Ive read posters talking about the superiority of fibre optic because it 'operates at the speed of light' whereas the copper does not and the first prize definately goes to equitist who believes wireless operates at the speed of sound.

the copper network operates at approximately 96-99% of the speed of light. fibre operates at around the same speed. wireless - being electromagnetic waves JUST LIKE LIGHT also operates at - you guessed it - the speed of light.

what truly staggers me is how any of you dimwits could possibly think differently. did it not occur to you that when you speak on the phone (either wireless or copper) to someone overseas why there is no delay? did that not twig you 'minds' that voice travelling virtually instantaneously over 15,000km or more might be travelling a bit faster than the speed of sound? or when NASA spoke to apollo 11 the wireless signal didnt take 2 weeks to get there?

some of you are strange, strange people.

You know, I would have thought they'd looked into this.... before even thinking about spending $43 bil.... but then again, why allow logic to get in the way of dollars or sense?

Excuse the wry pun...

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Poor taste I know. Sorry.

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Reply #7 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 1:37am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:16pm:

Ive been flabbergasted by the technical idiocy of so many posters who apparently were asleep in science class as well as many other classes.

Ive read posters talking about the superiority of fibre optic because it 'operates at the speed of light' whereas the copper does not and the first prize definately goes to equitist who believes wireless operates at the speed of sound.

the copper network operates at approximately 96-99% of the speed of light. fibre operates at around the same speed. wireless - being electromagnetic waves JUST LIKE LIGHT also operates at - you guessed it - the speed of light.

what truly staggers me is how any of you dimwits could possibly think differently. did it not occur to you that when you speak on the phone (either wireless or copper) to someone overseas why there is no delay? did that not twig you 'minds' that voice travelling virtually instantaneously over 15,000km or more might be travelling a bit faster than the speed of sound? or when NASA spoke to apollo 11 the wireless signal didnt take 2 weeks to get there?

some of you are strange, strange people.

While you are doing a great job of explaining things would you like to go on and give us the real advantage of optic over wireless.

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Reply #8 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 1:53am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 1:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:16pm:

Ive been flabbergasted by the technical idiocy of so many posters who apparently were asleep in science class as well as many other classes.

Ive read posters talking about the superiority of fibre optic because it 'operates at the speed of light' whereas the copper does not and the first prize definately goes to equitist who believes wireless operates at the speed of sound.

the copper network operates at approximately 96-99% of the speed of light. fibre operates at around the same speed. wireless - being electromagnetic waves JUST LIKE LIGHT also operates at - you guessed it - the speed of light.

what truly staggers me is how any of you dimwits could possibly think differently. did it not occur to you that when you speak on the phone (either wireless or copper) to someone overseas why there is no delay? did that not twig you 'minds' that voice travelling virtually instantaneously over 15,000km or more might be travelling a bit faster than the speed of sound? or when NASA spoke to apollo 11 the wireless signal didnt take 2 weeks to get there?

some of you are strange, strange people.

While you are doing a great job of explaining things would you like to go on and give us the real advantage of optic over wireless.

.

I believe he/she has already stated the obvious here.

Roll Eyes

... It's not a matter of advantage, it's a simple matter of there being no justifiable rational to do so.

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Reply #9 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 2:25am

mellie wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 1:53am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 1:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:16pm:

Ive been flabbergasted by the technical idiocy of so many posters who apparently were asleep in science class as well as many other classes.

Ive read posters talking about the superiority of fibre optic because it 'operates at the speed of light' whereas the copper does not and the first prize definately goes to equitist who believes wireless operates at the speed of sound.

the copper network operates at approximately 96-99% of the speed of light. fibre operates at around the same speed. wireless - being electromagnetic waves JUST LIKE LIGHT also operates at - you guessed it - the speed of light.

what truly staggers me is how any of you dimwits could possibly think differently. did it not occur to you that when you speak on the phone (either wireless or copper) to someone overseas why there is no delay? did that not twig you 'minds' that voice travelling virtually instantaneously over 15,000km or more might be travelling a bit faster than the speed of sound? or when NASA spoke to apollo 11 the wireless signal didnt take 2 weeks to get there?

some of you are strange, strange people.

While you are doing a great job of explaining things would you like to go on and give us the real advantage of optic over wireless.

.

I believe he/she has already stated the obvious here.

Roll Eyes

... It's not a matter of advantage, it's a simple matter of there being no justifiable rational to do so.

It has to do with the amount of data that can be carried on fibre optics and the efficiency of that compared to copper. The more data that can be carried, the less data that is banked up and waiting its turn, therefore the faster the computer runs

But I'm no tech head... mind you. I'd wait for long weekend to give you a detailed explaination.

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Reply #10 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 7:09am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:16pm:

Ive been flabbergasted by the technical idiocy of so many posters who apparently were asleep in science class as well as many other classes.

Ive read posters talking about the superiority of fibre optic because it 'operates at the speed of light' whereas the copper does not and the first prize definately goes to equitist who believes wireless operates at the speed of sound.

the copper network operates at approximately 96-99% of the speed of light. fibre operates at around the same speed. wireless - being electromagnetic waves JUST LIKE LIGHT also operates at - you guessed it - the speed of light.

what truly staggers me is how any of you dimwits could possibly think differently. did it not occur to you that when you speak on the phone (either wireless or copper) to someone overseas why there is no delay? did that not twig you 'minds' that voice travelling virtually instantaneously over 15,000km or more might be travelling a bit faster than the speed of sound? or when NASA spoke to apollo 11 the wireless signal didnt take 2 weeks to get there?

some of you are strange, strange people.

tell me then longy why is it when you use VoIP phone there is always a delay when you are useing it? Why also when a live news report is on TV from some countries there is also a delay?

mellie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:44pm:

Are you thick riverena Jack?

1) treasury have already stated the obvious...

http://www.treasury.gov.au/documents/1858/PDF/04_Appendix_C.pdf

2) GALP aren't even prepared to lay out a fraction of the cost with respects to doing a cost/benefit analysis on their NBN.

Sorry dude, but this can only mean one thing.....

Don't hang by your neck...

Cool

how thick are you mellie Sad

That link you put up has NOTHING to do with what longy OP. He was talking about how fast sound travels over copper wire and wireless.

I admitt the sound does travel at the speed of light over both of them sometimes, but why is there a delay when useing VoIP phone and delay on some news reports from some countries.

The reporter here on TV ask a question to a reporter in another country and it is a couple of seconds before they can answer it. Why is it if the sound travels at the speed of light.

With your second statement mellie tell me one Goverment project that has ever had a CAB done.

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Reply #11 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 7:20am

John S wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:16pm:

Ive been flabbergasted by the technical idiocy of so many posters who apparently were asleep in science class as well as many other classes.

Ive read posters talking about the superiority of fibre optic because it 'operates at the speed of light' whereas the copper does not and the first prize definately goes to equitist who believes wireless operates at the speed of sound.

the copper network operates at approximately 96-99% of the speed of light. fibre operates at around the same speed. wireless - being electromagnetic waves JUST LIKE LIGHT also operates at - you guessed it - the speed of light.

what truly staggers me is how any of you dimwits could possibly think differently. did it not occur to you that when you speak on the phone (either wireless or copper) to someone overseas why there is no delay? did that not twig you 'minds' that voice travelling virtually instantaneously over 15,000km or more might be travelling a bit faster than the speed of sound? or when NASA spoke to apollo 11 the wireless signal didnt take 2 weeks to get there?

some of you are strange, strange people.

tell me then longy why is it when you use VoIP phone there is always a delay when you are useing it? Why also when a live news report is on TV from some countries there is also a delay?

delays in any internet connection is more to do with delays in any one of several 'nodes' along the way. alo keep in mind that if any communication - eg phone - is using satellite that these geo-synchronous satellites are 36,000 kms up. even at the speed of light you can experience short but noticable delays.

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Reply #12 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 7:21am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 1:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:16pm:

Ive been flabbergasted by the technical idiocy of so many posters who apparently were asleep in science class as well as many other classes.

Ive read posters talking about the superiority of fibre optic because it 'operates at the speed of light' whereas the copper does not and the first prize definately goes to equitist who believes wireless operates at the speed of sound.

the copper network operates at approximately 96-99% of the speed of light. fibre operates at around the same speed. wireless - being electromagnetic waves JUST LIKE LIGHT also operates at - you guessed it - the speed of light.

what truly staggers me is how any of you dimwits could possibly think differently. did it not occur to you that when you speak on the phone (either wireless or copper) to someone overseas why there is no delay? did that not twig you 'minds' that voice travelling virtually instantaneously over 15,000km or more might be travelling a bit faster than the speed of sound? or when NASA spoke to apollo 11 the wireless signal didnt take 2 weeks to get there?

some of you are strange, strange people.

While you are doing a great job of explaining things would you like to go on and give us the real advantage of optic over wireless.

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bandwidth - pure and simple.

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Reply #13 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 9:24am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:16pm:

Ive been flabbergasted by the technical idiocy of so many posters who apparently were asleep in science class as well as many other classes.

Ive read posters talking about the superiority of fibre optic because it 'operates at the speed of light' whereas the copper does not and the first prize definately goes to equitist who believes wireless operates at the speed of sound.

the copper network operates at approximately 96-99% of the speed of light. fibre operates at around the same speed. wireless - being electromagnetic waves JUST LIKE LIGHT also operates at - you guessed it - the speed of light.

what truly staggers me is how any of you dimwits could possibly think differently. did it not occur to you that when you speak on the phone (either wireless or copper) to someone overseas why there is no delay? did that not twig you 'minds' that voice travelling virtually instantaneously over 15,000km or more might be travelling a bit faster than the speed of sound? or when NASA spoke to apollo 11 the wireless signal didnt take 2 weeks to get there?

some of you are strange, strange people.

Off topic, but there isn`t a high "scientific knowledge" content in the decision making process of the disciples of the AGW religion either. Lemmings.

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Reply #14 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 10:07am

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 7:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 1:37am:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 1^st, 2010 at 11:16pm:

Ive been flabbergasted by the technical idiocy of so many posters who apparently were asleep in science class as well as many other classes.

Ive read posters talking about the superiority of fibre optic because it 'operates at the speed of light' whereas the copper does not and the first prize definately goes to equitist who believes wireless operates at the speed of sound.

the copper network operates at approximately 96-99% of the speed of light. fibre operates at around the same speed. wireless - being electromagnetic waves JUST LIKE LIGHT also operates at - you guessed it - the speed of light.

what truly staggers me is how any of you dimwits could possibly think differently. did it not occur to you that when you speak on the phone (either wireless or copper) to someone overseas why there is no delay? did that not twig you 'minds' that voice travelling virtually instantaneously over 15,000km or more might be travelling a bit faster than the speed of sound? or when NASA spoke to apollo 11 the wireless signal didnt take 2 weeks to get there?

some of you are strange, strange people.

While you are doing a great job of explaining things would you like to go on and give us the real advantage of optic over wireless.

.

bandwidth - pure and simple.

what about latency which is the real killer in wireless Sad

bet you didn't know about that did you Wink

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