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The Green Menace
Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:06pm
 
You better believe it, when electricity prices are hiked up, YOU will know where ALOT of blame would be PLACED.

At least one thing from this is that the greens are out of the background of opposition where they thrived and in a sort of partnership or alliance as you wanna call it with Labor,

And yes we will get to witness the kooky, spooky and loony policies of the greens

So that means that the greens will be in a position that they have never been before that is being SCRUTINIZED,



REMEMBER LABORS UPCOMING **** UPS IN VARIOUS POLICIES THE BLAME WILL BE SHARED WITH THE GREENS AS WELL  Grin Grin Grin i cant wait


Even the staff who work for the labor party know that the Greens and independents will call the shots because they have Labor by the ****s


I wonder which of the recent new policies of Gilliards that doesn't derive from the greens.
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Reply #1 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:15pm
 

stryder wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:06pm:
You better believe it, when electricity prices are hiked up, YOU will know where ALOT of blame would be PLACED.

At least one thing from this is that the greens are out of the background of opposition where they thrived and in a sort of partnership or alliance as you wanna call it with Labor,

And yes we will get to witness the kooky, spooky and loony policies of the greens

So that means that the greens will be in a position that they have never been before that is being SCRUTINIZED,



REMEMBER LABORS UPCOMING **** UPS IN VARIOUS POLICIES THE BLAME WILL BE SHARED WITH THE GREENS AS WELL  Grin Grin Grin i cant wait


Even the staff who work for the labor party know that the Greens and independents will call the shots because they have Labor by the ****s


I wonder which of the recent new policies of Gilliards that doesn't derive from the greens.



LOL, Stryder...I have little doubt, that you would readily blame the Greens (and/or the Labs) for any and all price increases - regardless of the circumstances...
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Reply #2 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:20pm
 
LOL, Stryder...I have little doubt, that you would readily blame the Greens (and/or the Labs) for any and all price increases - regardless of the circumstances

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Oh I see that Equitist likes to deny any blame for the current price hikes of electricity that it simply has nothing to do with greens whats so ever, THATS WHAT HE LIKES TO BELEIVE obviously he has an explanation on why the greens cannot be blamed whats so ever.
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Reply #3 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:26pm
 
stryder wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:06pm:
You better believe it, when electricity prices are hiked up, YOU will know where ALOT of blame would be PLACED.

At least one thing from this is that the greens are out of the background of opposition where they thrived and in a sort of partnership or alliance as you wanna call it with Labor,

And yes we will get to witness the kooky, spooky and loony policies of the greens

So that means that the greens will be in a position that they have never been before that is being SCRUTINIZED,



REMEMBER LABORS UPCOMING **** UPS IN VARIOUS POLICIES THE BLAME WILL BE SHARED WITH THE GREENS AS WELL  Grin Grin Grin i cant wait


Even the staff who work for the labor party know that the Greens and independents will call the shots because they have Labor by the ****s


I wonder which of the recent new policies of Gilliards that doesn't derive from the greens.


Apparently, you don't live in Perth, Stryder!

If you did, you would already be experiencing power costs increasing and you would know that is not a Phenomenon, which is restricted to the Greens or Labor.

As you may know, WA currently has a Liberal state government and we have recently experienced a 30% hike in Electricity costs & substantial Gas increases!

It's reassuring (?) to know that Politicians, of all persuasions, are so even handed?
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Reply #4 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:27pm
 

stryder wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:20pm:
LOL, Stryder...I have little doubt, that you would readily blame the Greens (and/or the Labs) for any and all price increases - regardless of the circumstances

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Oh I see that Equitist likes to deny any blame for the current price hikes of electricity that it simply has nothing to do with greens whats so ever, THATS WHAT HE LIKES TO BELEIVE obviously he has an explanation on why the greens cannot be blamed whats so ever.


How, exactly, can you blame the Australian Greens for recent increases in electricity prices!?

Are they also responsible for the price increases for other goods and services that have occurred around the world since forever!?
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Reply #5 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:28pm
 
stryder wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:20pm:
LOL, Stryder...I have little doubt, that you would readily blame the Greens (and/or the Labs) for any and all price increases - regardless of the circumstances

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Oh I see that Equitist likes to deny any blame for the current price hikes of electricity that it simply has nothing to do with greens whats so ever, THATS WHAT HE LIKES TO BELEIVE obviously he has an explanation on why the greens cannot be blamed whats so ever.




Perhaps you can start by explaining how a party with ZILCH representation in state governments (who manage electricity supplies that have not been privatised) have ANY input into electricity pricing ?

Your MAIN problem is that GIANT anti-renewable, anti-conservational chip on your shoulder


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Reply #6 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:34pm
 
I mean we know what the greens want.


-They want to close down Lucas heights nuclear research reactor
-They want to stop fishing on there own terms
-They wanna stop rodeos
-They want to quit and pull the troops out of afghanistan
-They want to stop most mining
-They want to raise personal tax over 50%
-They want to reintroduce death duties.

GEEZ THE GREENS WOULD GO ON AND ON UNTIL WE ARE ALL RETURNED TO A HUNTER GATHERING SOCIETY LIVING ON THE FOREST FLOOR.

I bet that would please the Equitist,  Grin Grin Grin
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LOL...the real menace, is the one which confuses concept, cause and effect - and then peddles their untenable conclusions...

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Reply #8 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:40pm
 
OK all you silly leftists

I tell you this, there hasnt been a COAL FIRED POWER STATION built here in NSW since the 80s, ever since the rise and influence of the greens in the political spectrum, NOT ANOTHER ONE HAS BEEN BUILT SINCE THE 80s, now its very logical that the greens had a great INFLUENCE on those decisons by those state governments NOT to build anymore, with an increasing population in NSW which has increased the pressure on those current numbers of power stations.


SO YOUR ALL GOING TO TELL THAT NO GREEN INFLUENCE WHATS SO EVER CONTRIBUTED TO THOSE PAST DECISONS ????????


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Reply #9 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:58pm
 
stryder wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:40pm:
OK all you silly leftists

I tell you this, there hasnt been a COAL FIRED POWER STATION built here in NSW since the 80s, ever since the rise and influence of the greens in the political spectrum, NOT ANOTHER ONE HAS BEEN BUILT SINCE THE 80s, now its very logical that the greens had a great INFLUENCE on those decisons by those state governments NOT to build anymore, with an increasing population in NSW which has increased the pressure on those current numbers of power stations.


SO YOUR ALL GOING TO TELL THAT NO GREEN INFLUENCE WHATS SO EVER CONTRIBUTED TO THOSE PAST DECISONS ????????




2 things!

First, I am neither Left, nor Right!

Second, since when have the Greens held office, it has been Labor & Liberal!
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Reply #10 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:59pm
 
So what else do the greens want

-They want to stop the importation of wild animals to zoos
-They wanna end taxpayers money for private schools

BUT THIS ONE IS A BEAUTY

Bob Brown wants to bring in a policy that would threaten any company or corporation with closure if that dont fill 40% of there board seats with WOMEN by 2015.
So that means any company with annual worth over 15 million from Coca cola to Dick smiths will be forced to hire female directors to fill 40% of there board seats by 2015

HOW STUPID IS THAT, YOU HAVE TO THINK GREEN TO THINK THAT STUPID,

Its seems they want to throw away the principle the best applicant for the job.
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Reply #11 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 10:04pm
 
2 things!

First, I am neither Left, nor Right!

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Perceptions I have had this arguement with you before, and quite frankly your POSTS HAVE NOT CHANGED MY MIND WHAT SO EVER THAT YOU LEAN TO THE LEFT, your not an extreme leftists and i do understand that you wanna see things and express things from the centre, but in the end YOU DO LEAN TO THE LEFT MOSTLY,

LIVE WITH THAT STIGMA,  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #12 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 10:06pm
 

Here's an interesting article for you, Stryder...

http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.gov.au/files/23616/04.%2007_0105_buronga_ea_ch...

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Project Need & Justification

2.2.4 Meeting Peak Load Demand is acknowledged in the Government’s 2004 Green Paper, peak demand is growing much faster than average demand.

In NSW, summer peak demand has grown by around 3.8% per year for the past five years while base load growth has been significantly slower at around 2.8%. The Green Paper further notes that the trend toward ‘peakier’ electricity demand has significant cost implications for NSW consumers. Effectively 10% of NSW generation and network capacity is used for only 1 percent of the time.

If current growth trends continue, in 10 years time around 18 percent of generation capacity will be required for only 1 percent of the year.

In canvassing possible options, the Green Paper notes that “open cycle” gas-fired generation plant are more cost-effective in meeting peak demand and can be built in a relatively short timeframe.
In the absence of a commercial gas supply, distillate-fired gas turbine technology can also be constructed quickly and offers the same market response advantages in a peak demand situation.

A peaking power plant such as that proposed by IPRA at Buronga effectively fills a “plant merit gap” in the NSW generation profile. Hitherto, NSW has generally operated coal-fired base load plant with peak demand met by hydro-generation from the Snowy Mountains plant or by electricity import from interstate. Drought conditions exacerbate the supply situation when hydro-generation is limited or curtailed by water shortages such as has occurred both in the Snowy region and Queensland.

The NEM-wide growth of peak demand has meant that the opportunity to import is rapidly decreasing and consequently market supply-demand mechanisms will drive up the cost of electricity and hence the market risk exposure of electricity retailers. Retailers hedge that risk by contracting with generators for the output of plant such as the facility proposed by IPRA at Buronga.

In contrast to a base load plant which runs most of the time to meet “core” electricity demand, peaking plants start and run only at times of very high demand or when there are system problems such as a base load generator suddenly tripping off or a transmission line failure.

Consequently, peaking plants generally run only over short periods of time on any one day and for a relatively small proportion of time on an annual basis with a focus on high demand periods during winter and summer on a seasonal basis.

Peaking power plants improve the reliability and maintain the quality of electricity supply during peak periods. They also improve the security of supply, due to a faster start-up time, should a transmission system emergency (instability or shutdown) occur.

Distillate fired gas turbines of the type proposed at Buronga still produce significantly less greenhouse emissions than traditional coal fired base load power plants. One environmental benefit of the plant proposed by IPRA is that generation at Buronga will alleviate the need for additional coal-fired plant to run when peak load demand problems create a regional capacity shortfall.


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2.3 IPRA’s Proposal

2.3.1 The Proponent

The proponent is International Power (Australia) Pty Ltd (“IPRA”), a wholly owned subsidiary of International Power plc, a UK-based independent power generation and operation company with interests in 40 power stations in 18 countries around the world. International Power plc is listed on the London Stock Exchange and has a current market capitalisation in excess of A$11bn. Further information on International Power plc and IPRA is available on its website www.ipplc.com.

Since becoming established in Australia in 1996, IPRA has invested in excess of A$5bn and focused on becoming a leading player in the energy industry. The company owns and operates more than 3600MW of renewable, gas-fired and brown coal-fired generating plants in Victoria, South Australia and Western Australia. Its interests also extend across energy retailing (Energy Australia) and the (SEAGas) gas pipeline between Victoria and South Australia.

Table 2-1 illustrates the extent of IPRA’s Australian energy interests.

Asset Fuel / Type Gross Capacity MW Net capacity MW
Hazelwood, Victoria Coal 1,675 1,541
Loy Yang B Power Station, Victoria Coal 1,026 718
Synergen Peaking Units, South Australia Gas/Distillate 371 371
Pelican Point Power Station, South
Australia Gas (CCGT) 487 487
Canunda Wind Farm, South Australia Wind/renewable 46 46
Kwinana Power Station, Western Australia Gas (CCGT) 118 58
SEA Gas underground pipeline n/a n/a n/a
Simply Energy n/a n/a n/a
3,723 3,221
Table 2-1 IPRA Australian Energy Assets

(Source: IPRA, 2006)

IPRA employs around 750 personnel across its national business and is an innovative and proactive company, highly regarded in the industry as a project developer and as an energy asset operator.

In addition to its plans for the proposed Buronga Peaking Power Plant Project, IPRA plans to invest in additional peaking power plants in NSW - at Parkes in the central west of the State and at Herons Creek on the mid north coast. Project Applications have been submitted for both of these other proposals.


Note relevance of foreign ownership...
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Reply #13 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 10:09pm
 

stryder wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 9:59pm:
So what else do the greens want

-They want to stop the importation of wild animals to zoos
-They wanna end taxpayers money for private schools

BUT THIS ONE IS A BEAUTY

Bob Brown wants to bring in a policy that would threaten any company or corporation with closure if that dont fill 40% of there board seats with WOMEN by 2015.
So that means any company with annual worth over 15 million from Coca cola to Dick smiths will be forced to hire female directors to fill 40% of there board seats by 2015

HOW STUPID IS THAT, YOU HAVE TO THINK GREEN TO THINK THAT STUPID,

Its seems they want to throw away the principle the best applicant for the job.


LOL...it seems that you want to believe that current boards are operating under the principle of the best applicant for the job...


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Reply #14 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 10:09pm
 
Second, since when have the Greens held office, it has been Labor & Liberal!

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Valid point, perceptions

But the green movement have been growing in the backwaters of opposition for over 20 years, AND YOU DONT THINK THAT THE GREENS HAVENT INFLUENCED GOVERNMENT POLICY IN RELATION TO THE ENVIROMENT AND THE CONSUMPTION OF ENERGY WITHIN THOSE 20 YEARS,

I mean how would the greens be in this pretty position that they are in if they HAVENT BEEN INFLUENTIAL
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