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Oct 7th, 2010 at 12:48am
 

A man should hear a little music, read a little poetry, and see a fine picture every day of his life, in order that worldly cares may not obliterate the sense of the beautiful which God has implanted in the human soul.

- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (German Playwright, Poet, Novelist and Dramatist. 1749-1832)
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Reply #1 - Oct 7th, 2010 at 12:51am
 

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Reply #2 - Oct 7th, 2010 at 1:15am
 



The music, lyrics and visuals are so breathtakingly beautiful ...
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Reply #3 - Oct 7th, 2010 at 11:45pm
 

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science.

- Albert Einstein
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Reply #4 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 12:50am
 

Oh .. this is just so beautiful ..



Possession

Listen as the wind blows
from across the great divide,
Voices trapped in yearning,
memories trapped in time,
The night is my companion
and solitude my guide,
Would I spend forever here
and not be satisfied,

And I would be the one
to hold you down,
kiss you so hard,
I'll take your breath away
and after I'd wipe away the tears,
Just close your eyes dear

Through this world I've stumbled
so many times betrayed,
Trying to find an honest word,
to find the truth enslaved,
Oh you speak to me in riddles and
you speak to me in rhymes
My body aches to breathe your breath,
your words keep me alive,

And I would be the one
to hold you down,
kiss you so hard,
I'll take your breath away
and after I'd wipe away the tears,
Just close your eyes dear

Into this night I wander,
it's morning that I dread,
Another day of knowing of
the path I fear to tread,
Oh into the sea of waking dreams
I follow without pride,
Nothing stands between us here
and I won't be denied,

And I would be the one
to hold you down,
kiss you so hard,
I'll take your breath away
and after I'd wipe away the tears,
Just close your eyes dear...
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Reply #5 - Oct 12th, 2010 at 2:25am
 

Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable ... if anything is excellent or praiseworthy ... think about such things.

- Holy Bible ( Philippians 4:8 )
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Reply #6 - Oct 12th, 2010 at 7:10am
 
For those of us who put their faith in the fair and beautiful even before their better judgment of the rational and the true, risk recognising truth only as being what beautiful people tell them is true.

But there are worse fates... Like confusing cynicism with truth.
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Reply #7 - Oct 12th, 2010 at 2:23pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 12th, 2010 at 7:10am:
For those of us who put their faith in the fair and beautiful even before their better judgment of the rational and the true, risk recognising truth only as being what beautiful people tell them is true.

But there are worse fates... Like confusing cynicism with truth.


Hello Helian .. thank you for posting in here (it was getting somewhat lonesome lol).

My response to you is as follows: It's not so much a matter of putting one's faith in what is fair and beautiful .. more a matter of appreciating and enjoying the beautiful things around us given the fact that we're not here for long.

Well that was the intention underpinning this topic in any event ..

Again many thanks for posting lol .. it would be nice if more could Smiley
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Reply #8 - Oct 12th, 2010 at 2:31pm
 
Ohhh ...

fair
beautiful
rational
true

.. hmmm such interesting, subjective and arbitrary constructs these days Helian.

It's ok .. I was just being cynical Tongue
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Reply #9 - Oct 12th, 2010 at 10:15pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2010 at 2:23pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 12th, 2010 at 7:10am:
For those of us who put their faith in the fair and beautiful even before their better judgment of the rational and the true, risk recognising truth only as being what beautiful people tell them is true.

But there are worse fates... Like confusing cynicism with truth.


Hello Helian .. thank you for posting in here (it was getting somewhat lonesome lol).

My response to you is as follows: It's not so much a matter of putting one's faith in what is fair and beautiful .. more a matter of appreciating and enjoying the beautiful things around us given the fact that we're not here for long.

Well that was the intention underpinning this topic in any event ..

Again many thanks for posting lol .. it would be nice if more could Smiley

Yeah, understood. It's easy to love the beautiful... And almost as easy to pretend the beautiful is necessarily true.
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Reply #10 - Oct 12th, 2010 at 10:30pm
 

It's easy to love the beautiful... And almost as easy to pretend the beautiful is necessarily true.

- Helian



Ahh but beauty is in the eye of the beholder .. so it's all relative my dear friend.

Aesthetic Relativism

Aesthetic relativism is the philosophical view that the judgement of beauty is relative  to individuals, cultures, time periods and contexts, and that there are no universal criteria of beauty. For example, statuettes like the Venus of Willendorf or the women in the paintings of Rubens  would have been considered ideal forms of beauty when painted, but today may be regarded as fat, while contemporary standards of beauty (such as those that feature on the covers of contemporary fashion magazines) may have been considered less than ideal in Rubens's time.

Aesthetic relativism is a variety of the philosophy known generally as relativism, which casts doubt on the possibility of direct epistemic access to the "external world", and which therefore reject the positive claim that statements made about the external world can be known to be objectively true. Other varieties of relativism include cognitive relativism (the general claim that all truth and knowledge is relative) and Ethical Relativism (the claim that moral judgments are relative). Aesthetic and Ethical relativism are sub-categories of Cognitive Relativism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetic_relativism
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Reply #11 - Oct 12th, 2010 at 11:43pm
 
hey lisa  Smiley its good to see you around here again
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Reply #12 - Oct 13th, 2010 at 1:32am
 
Hello Stryder .. it's very nice to see you also Smiley

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Reply #13 - Oct 13th, 2010 at 1:33am
 

If - a poem by Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream and not make dreams your master;
If you can think and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
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Reply #14 - Oct 13th, 2010 at 7:49am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12th, 2010 at 10:30pm:
It's easy to love the beautiful... And almost as easy to pretend the beautiful is necessarily true.

- Helian



Ahh but beauty is in the eye of the beholder .. so it's all relative my dear friend.

Ah, relativism! Spawning the likes of "Progressives against Progress" and the pomo generator!

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1. Expressions of meaninglessness

“Society is part of the absurdity of consciousness,” says Derrida. Therefore, in Virtual Light, Gibson examines dialectic precapitalist theory; in Pattern Recognition he affirms Lacanist obscurity.

The characteristic theme of the works of Gibson is the common ground between art and sexual identity. However, Cameron[1] holds that we have to choose between postcapitalist appropriation and Sontagist camp.

An abundance of theories concerning a self-sufficient whole exist. It could be said that if dialectic precapitalist theory holds, the works of Fellini are empowering.

Lyotard uses the term ‘Lacanist obscurity’ to denote the role of the writer as poet. However, the subject is interpolated into a structural materialism that includes sexuality as a reality.


"The man who tells you truth does not exist is asking you not to believe him. So don't" Roger Scruton

We're descending into the worship of idiocy.
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