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New 'habitable' Planet found.
Oct 9th, 2010 at 2:38am
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE9e_-tecGQ

Well I've gotta hand it to the Namerican Dream (USA). If ever there was a culture that went to Heaven, they certainly did. They have proven themselves tirelessly to be the best when it comes to Flight, Astronomy and being 'out there'.
Of course, on the flip side - their Political culture has gone along for the ride ...just like Angels do.

But I wonder?
Is this a properly 'revealed' discovery or just coincidence when all is not well with this Planet?
Think about it, think of that movie 'The Island' with McGregor & Johansson. Suddenly we have a new lease of life for those who wish to "Go to Heaven and leave a Hell behind". I'm sure there are many who think "we are going to the stars so why not just expend this planet to get there anyway?"
Why use words like conserve and sustainability anymore ...there's are whole New World out there now.
Hmmm? Kinda sounds like history repeating itself when Europe discovered Namerica.

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Reply #1 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 3:00am
 
Also, just like to add this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUnINDZolDY&feature=related
and part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oIXRYyvB8M&feature=related
just to highlight the Pros and Cons of the Astronomical (Heaven) Propoganda/Dream as seen through many Industries, Civilisations and Regions of the world.
WARNING: These two clips are highlighted in the end of PArt 2 as being very Bible/Christian assertive.

Roll Eyes

...I'm just a Diver in the deep dark Abyss Wink
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Reply #2 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 10:02am
 
It's kind of hard to take it seriously when it's on youtube.
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Reply #3 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 1:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Oct 9th, 2010 at 10:02am:
It's kind of hard to take it seriously when it's on youtube.



True, but it IS in the news too....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20101004/hl_time/08599202248900
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Reply #4 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 3:10pm
 
Thanks gizmo.

Found: New Planet Gliese 581g Is Habitable Like Earth

The star known as Gliese 581 is utterly unremarkable in just about every way you can imagine. It's a red dwarf, the most common type of star in the Milky Way, weighing in at about a third of the mass of the sun. At 20 light years or so away, it's relatively nearby, but not close enough to set any records (it's the 117th closest star to Earth, for what that's worth). You can't even see it without a telescope, so while it lies in the direction of Libra, it isn't one of the shining dots you'd connect to form the constellation. It's no wonder that the star's name lacks even a whiff of mystery or romance.

But Gliese 581 does have one distinction - and that's enough to make it the focus of intense scientific attention. At last count, astronomers had identified more than 400 planets orbiting stars beyond the sun, and Gliese 581 was host to no fewer than four of them - the most populous solar system we know of, aside from our own. That alone would make the star intriguing. But on Wednesday, a team of astronomers announced that it had found two more planets circling the star, bringing the total to six. And one of them, assigned the name Gliese 581g, may be of truly historic significance. (See TIME's illustrated history of Earth.)

For one thing, the planet is only about three or four times as massive as our home world, meaning it probably has a solid surface just like Earth. Much more important, it sits smack in the middle of the so-called habitable zone, orbiting at just the right distance from the star to let water remain liquid rather than freezing solid or boiling away. As far as we know, that's a minimum requirement for the presence of life. For thousands of years, philosophers and scientists have wondered whether other Earths existed out in the cosmos. And since the first, very un-Earthlike extrasolar planet was discovered in 1995, astronomers have been inching closer to answering that question. Now they've evidently succeeded (although to be clear, there's no way at this point to determine whether there is life on the new planet).

"We're pretty excited about it," admits Steve Vogt of the University of California at Santa Cruz, a member of the team, in a masterpiece of understatement. "I think this is what everyone's been after for the past 15 years." (See the top 50 space moments since Sputnik.)

Planetary scientist James Kasting of Penn State University, who wasn't involved with the discovery, agrees. "I think they've scooped the Kepler people," he says, referring to the telescope that launched into space early last year on a mission to determine how common Earthlike planets might be. The "Kepler people" have a number of candidate Earths in the can but are still working to confirm them. (See pictures of Earth from space.)

Being first isn't the main reason Vogt is excited, however. "Someone had to be first," he says. "But this is right next door to us. That's the big result." What's particularly big about it is a matter of simple arithmetic. With only 116 stars closer to Earth than this one, it was hardly a sure thing that so small a sample group would produce two habitable planets, including Earth. And two such planets may be an undercount, Vogt says, since just nine out of those 100-plus stars have been studied in any detail. Indeed, one of Gliese 581g's sister planets, known as Gliese 581d (O.K., they don't put a lot of creative energy into naming these things), could conceivably be a habitable world itself.

One of the four planets known to orbit Gliese 581 before the latest discovery, 581d was found by a team of Swiss astronomers in 2007 and was thought to be outside the habitable zone and thus too cold for liquid water. But a reanalysis last year brought it into the zone, albeit just barely. The problem is, 581d is too big to be Earthlike; it's probably made mostly of nonwater ice, like Neptune and Uranus, which makes a poorer candidate for life than 581g. (Comment on this story.)

Lost in the excitement over possible life on the new world is what a remarkable achievement its mere discovery was. Detecting a planet this small is monstrously hard - and would have been impossible when Vogt and co-discoverer Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institution of Washington first got into the planet-hunting game in the early 1990s. The instruments you use to detect tiny back-and-forth motions in the star - motions caused by the orbiting planet's gravitational tugs, which are often the only way to infer that the worlds exist at all - simply weren't sensitive enough. Since then, says Vogt, "I've been busting my gut to improve the instruments, and Paul has been busting his gut to do the observations." In all, those observations span more than 200 nights on the giant Keck I telescope in Hawaii over 11 years, supplemented by observations from the Geneva group - and that painstaking work finally confirmed 581g's existence.

None of this proves that there is water on Gliese 581g. "Those are things we just have to speculate about," says Vogt. But he goes on to point out that there's water pretty much everywhere else you look. "There's water on Earth," he says, "and on the moon, and Mars, and on Jupiter's moon Europa and Saturn's moon Enceladus, and in interstellar space. There's enough water produced in the Orion Nebula every 24 seconds to fill the Earth's oceans."
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Reply #5 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 3:24pm
 
Maybe we can use a 'Heinlein Universe Ship' to colonise the planets in that solar system?????
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Reply #6 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 3:44pm
 
let's go there and make a planet with FD as king
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Reply #7 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 4:06pm
 
I think it is the 'emphasis' of an officially stated 'habitable' planet.
I'm sure some more will suddenly come about to be revealed to the public ...all many 'light-years' away, but its the classic Carrot dangling at the end of a Stick and like I said - at a strange time when there is much going on in regards to the Planet 'suffering' due to Man-made conditions and Galactic conditions.
People are people, so I'm not surprised that any culture would exploit a resource, drain it and move on - so why not this planet?
I just think it is part of the Namerican Psyche and this 'Habitable Planet' is just part of their process of belief and existence.
The Medical Industry has its Carrots and Fear-mongering to keep everyone in check like with Pandemics and Cancers.
Every Industry has its Carrots and Fear-Mongering. Australian Oceanographers say we haven't even scratched the 'surface' of the amount of undiscovered deep sea species to be recorded.

Who is FD by the way?
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Reply #8 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 4:31pm
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Oct 9th, 2010 at 4:06pm:
I think it is the 'emphasis' of an officially stated 'habitable' planet.
I'm sure some more will suddenly come about to be revealed to the public ...all many 'light-years' away, but its the classic Carrot dangling at the end of a Stick and like I said - at a strange time when there is much going on in regards to the Planet 'suffering' due to Man-made conditions and Galactic conditions.
People are people, so I'm not surprised that any culture would exploit a resource, drain it and move on - so why not this planet?
I just think it is part of the Namerican Psyche and this 'Habitable Planet' is just part of their process of belief and existence.
The Medical Industry has its Carrots and Fear-mongering to keep everyone in check like with Pandemics and Cancers.
Every Industry has its Carrots and Fear-Mongering. Australian Oceanographers say we haven't even scratched the 'surface' of the amount of undiscovered deep sea species to be recorded.

Who is FD by the way?


FD=Freediver...
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Reply #9 - Oct 9th, 2010 at 4:52pm
 
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Reply #10 - Oct 10th, 2010 at 9:26am
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Oct 9th, 2010 at 4:06pm:
I think it is the 'emphasis' of an officially stated 'habitable' planet.
I'm sure some more will suddenly come about to be revealed to the public ...all many 'light-years' away, but its the classic Carrot dangling at the end of a Stick and like I said - at a strange time when there is much going on in regards to the Planet 'suffering' due to Man-made conditions and Galactic conditions.
People are people, so I'm not surprised that any culture would exploit a resource, drain it and move on - so why not this planet?
I just think it is part of the Namerican Psyche and this 'Habitable Planet' is just part of their process of belief and existence.
The Medical Industry has its Carrots and Fear-mongering to keep everyone in check like with Pandemics and Cancers.
Every Industry has its Carrots and Fear-Mongering. Australian Oceanographers say we haven't even scratched the 'surface' of the amount of undiscovered deep sea species to be recorded.



I think you are reading too much into it. Sometimes a planet is just a planet. I don't think any of the scientists involved would be viewing this as an excuse to harm planet earth, either consciously or unconcsciously.
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Reply #11 - Oct 10th, 2010 at 9:58am
 
They are totally jumping the gun. Nobody has even found Oxygen in the absorption spectrum.  We don't yet have the sensitivity to determine that.

Nobody actually knows what its temperature is. It could be like Venus with a surface temperature of 800 degrees. They claim that it doesn't rotate, which suggests that it's going to be very similar to Venus.
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Reply #12 - Oct 10th, 2010 at 10:16am
 
Maybe I am reading too much into it - I was feeling 50/50 about it anyway.
Just 'coincidence' then, nothing more.
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They claim that it doesn't rotate, which suggests that it's going to be very similar to Venus.


Why would that make it hotter?
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