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What about religions? Are there any other religions that accomodate wife beating to the extent that Islam does?

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So why do so many Muslims say it is permissable, and disagree only on the extent to which wife beating is acceptable? Are you playing Abu's trick of defining it as not wife beating if it is permitted by Islam?

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Were these just the Jewish sex slave women? Why do Muslims have so many issues with people disobeying them and rebelling against them? Is God playing tricks on them, or just testing their faith?

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So wife beating is legal if she deserves it?

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So this differentiates Muslims from other Arabs, who beat their wives in bed and used surprise beatings to keep their women on their toes?

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So how do you reconcile this with the woman who ended up with skin that was green from bruising? Does that not count as injury? Are you allowed to sharpen the toothbrush first, or only if you are in prison?

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Only if she deserves it right? And no surprise beatings? Do you see any Christians arguing that Christianity permits wife beating if she deserves it?

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How about you let other people decide for themselves what their religion is? I hardly think that princples like "do unto others..." equates to a free for all. Your understanding of Islam and common sense seem fragile enough.

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I doubt any other religions see the need to distinguish between acceptable and unacceptable wife beating.

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Yes TC. That is why I bumped this thread for you. That is what was under discussion in the opening post, which is why I quoted it for you the first time you asked me this.

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Is this true Gandalf?

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 5:20pm:




"To the woman he said,  "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." Genesis 3:16

"Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior." Ephesians 5:22-23 

The Bible doesn't only provoke beating but also instructs husbands to cut their hands if they think thier wife defend him in a wrong way.

"And in case men struggle together (in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one (to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin), she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of the men must feel no sorrow." [Deuteronomy 25:11-12]

Bible states women were created to serve men and is glory of men not Lord,

" If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man." [1 Corinthians 11:6-7]

But what if women doesn't serve the man?

Well a Bible says beating can fix this problem!

"Young people take pride in their strength, but the gray hairs of wisdom are even more beautiful. A severe beating can knock all of the evil out of you! 
[From the Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible, Proverbs 20:29-30]"

Well whatever it is better for husband to live alone or in desert, wilderness than sharing house with quarrelsome wife

"It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife." [Proverbs 25:24]

"Better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome and ill-tempered wife." [Proverbs 21:19]

Shocky do you have anything to say about Muhammed pardoning the guy who beat his wife until her skin was green with bruises? (other than the inevitable deflections of course)

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2013 at 10:17pm:


The hadeeth doesn't say that he was pardoned. The woman's testimony was questionable and likely unreliable. You have to look at the whole context of the matter which was that that particular woman was sad that her first husband had divorced her, and the implication was that she was conniving to get back with the first husband.

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:26am:


Another lie. The hadeeth doesn't say that at all. Why do you consider it acceptable to lie FD? Is it your religion? Does you religion permit you to lie? What religion are you on anyway?

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 8:26am:


Thats not the issue FD, the issue is that you state that he was "pardoned" for the alleged beating - which is a complete and utter fabrication.