my interpretation is that the hadith was about a ruling about divorce and remarriage. The prophet said nothing for or against the beating in that hadith - but that doesn't mean that he didn't act on it. It would be just as baseless for me to say he did something about the beating, as you saying he was "pardoned".

What the prophet DID say about wife beating:
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GH wrote on Oct 13^th, 2010 at 7:26pm:



Jibreel wrote on Oct 14^th, 2010 at 5:41pm:

Thats all well and good FD, but my only beef here was your patently false claim that in the 'green bruise' hadith, the alleged abuser was "pardoned" by Muhammad.

Its these sorts of lies that are so important for creating the image of islam that you and others project. You have to admit, that when these lies are exposed (and I'm not saying you are guilty of making it, merely relaying it), its not a good look is it?

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Still not sure what your problem actually is with what I said. It looks like a perfectly reasonable interpretation of what happened, especially given the verse that a husband must not be asked why he beat his wife.

Also, don't you think Islam's wife-beating image problem might have more to do with Muhammed beating his wives, laughing when other men beat his wives, and specifically permitting wife beating?

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I certainly hope not. If they knew all this and still thought Muhammed was God's messenger and an example to all mankind, then we have a serious problem.

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Perhaps you should get a version in English and read it, rather than throwing your hands in the air because you can't read Arabic yet. After all, Muhammed commands it (more often than killing people apparently).

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"Islamic respect"

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I don't hold wife beaters in high esteem either. So what? Muhammed himself was a wife beater. Admittedly he had a lot of wives to keep in line, but still, does that mean he is among the worst of Muslims?

Given that no man was ever punished for beating his wife, Muhammed specifically permitted wife beating, and forbade people from even asking why a husband beat his wife, along with the fact that that hadith completely ignores the issue of wife beating after Aisha brought it up, that is the only reasonable conclusion.

It is not the 'lies' that give Islam a reputation for permitting wife beating. It is the truth about Islam.

"O you who believe, it is not lawful for you to take women as heritage against (their) will. Nor
should you straiten them by taking part of what you have given them, unless they are guilty
of manifest indecency. And treat them kindly. Then if you hate them, it may be that you dislike
a thing while Allah has placed abundant good in it."
The Holy Qur'an Ch.4:19 (The Women)

In the above verse, Allah tells the Muslims that they cannot treat women like slaves, but must
act justly with them. The verse enjoins Muslims to treat women kindly and warns them that they
may hate a woman when Allah has “placed abundant good”, in her. Muslims are to be just kind
to women and they must be careful not to underestimate the worth of women because of
imperfections that are made up for by their much greater good traits. Muslims are not to exploit
women, be cruel to them nor take them for granted. These are the commands of Allah to “you
who believe.”



“ And the believers, men and women are friends of one another. They enjoin good and
forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger. As
for these Allah will have mercy on them, Surely Allah is Mighty, Wise."
The Holy Qur'an Ch.9:71

We do not abuse, neglect or hurt friends, do we? Neither should we treat women in such a
manner! We are kind and helpful to our friends, are we not? Women deserve similar treatment
from their fathers, husbands, brothers, sons and other male relatives. That goes for the
government and society also, if it is a believing government or society.

In a recent book, “Silent No More”, by Paul Findley, a member of Congress, for twenty two
years, writes “ A report released in January 2000, by the John Hopkins Scholl of Public Health
in Baltimore, Maryland, offers the startling conclusion that one of every three women worldwide
has been beaten, raped or somehow mistreated.” “ Americans seem to cite severe
discrimination in some Muslim countries as evidence that Islam condones mistreatment of
women…….Most discrimination arises from brutish customs and male chauvinism, not from
the Qur’an or the Sunnah.”  He goes so far as to suggest, very much against the conventional
wisdom, that “Islam may be the single most liberating influence in recorded history, greater
than Christianity and Judaism.”

Mr. Findley explains, “ Thomas W. Lippman, a Jewish journalist who served for three
years as 'the Washington Post, bureau chief in Cairo', writes, “ In a society in which
women were possessions, taken and put aside like trinkets, often held in conditions
approaching bondage, the Qur’an imposed rules and prohibitions that curbed the
worst abuses, ensured women’s property rights, and encouraged men to , treat
women with kindness and generosity…..The Quran's dictates on women's legal
status, were quite advanced for their time and Islamic Law gives women's som erights
more liberating than those found in western legal codes---the Quran and Hadith---lay
down rules ensuring for women the respectable and dignified status that had been
denied them (in pre-Islamic society and emphasize the stability of the family."Page 128

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 11:35am:

One of your most filthy lies. The Prophet never beat his wives.


freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 11:35am:

Can you help yourself from lying? Since when is a slap on the neck equal to a beating? It is like saying when friends slap each other on the back after a joke they are beating each other.

Have you heard the term back-slapping before?

Here is a dictionary definition:

back·slap


v.intr.
To demonstrate effusive goodwill.
v.tr.
To demonstrate effusive goodwill toward (another or others).
backslapper n.