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Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:38am
 
Should we be  embarrassed to carry on the way we do
( well SOME of us) Abbott springs to mind....?


Australia's climate policies, such as the national renewable energy target, were found to be equivalent to forcing the power industry to pay $US1.70 ($A1.71) per tonne of carbon dioxide.

By contrast, China has an underlying carbon price on its power sector of $US14.20 - eight times higher. China's policies include the forced shutdown of its worst-performing coal-fired power stations, and the world's largest renewable energy program - $US35 billion invested last year, compared with $US18 billion in the US. It is considering a carbon trading scheme.

[b]Britain ($US29.30 a tonne), the US ($US5.10) and Japan ($US3.10)[/b] were each found to be ahead of Australia in encouraging a shift to cleaner power.

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-lags-far-behind-on...

Economist and government adviser Ross Garnaut recently said convincing Australians how much other countries - particularly China - were doing to tackle climate change was one of the most important challenges facing the government.
''I am frankly shocked at how persistent the ignorance in Australia is of that,'' Professor Garnaut said. ''It is as if a lead veil had been inserted around the brains of most Australians and made them impervious to information that is not secret, about what is going on in other countries.''
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Reply #1 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:51am
 
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Should we be  embarrassed to carry on the way we do
( well SOME of us) Abbott springs to mind....?


Australia's climate policies, such as the national renewable energy target, were found to be equivalent to forcing the power industry to pay $US1.70 ($A1.71) per tonne of carbon dioxide.

By contrast, China has an underlying carbon price on its power sector of $US14.20 - eight times higher. China's policies include the forced shutdown of its worst-performing coal-fired power stations, and the world's largest renewable energy program - $US35 billion invested last year, compared with $US18 billion in the US. It is considering a carbon trading scheme.

[b]Britain ($US29.30 a tonne), the US ($US5.10) and Japan ($US3.10)[/b] were each found to be ahead of Australia in encouraging a shift to cleaner power.

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-lags-far-behind-on...

Economist and government adviser Ross Garnaut recently said convincing Australians how much other countries - particularly China - were doing to tackle climate change was one of the most important challenges facing the government.
''I am frankly shocked at how persistent the ignorance in Australia is of that,'' Professor Garnaut said. ''It is as if a lead veil had been inserted around the brains of most Australians and made them impervious to information that is not secret, about what is going on in other countries.''



veg I dont TRUST one word that comes from this govt...or any Labor govt for that matter..Garnaut can say what he likes... he is after all paid to do that..however that aside..

its not the actual cost that really bothers me... its all the PANIC one minute and then its filed under the two hard banner and they want 150 souls to sort it out for them..

this is the mystery to this whole thing..as for Garnaut saying we are ignorant of this... not according to your man Booby Brown he gets a small increase in his primary vote and he thinks the whole country agrees with him...we are all in favour of a climate tax.. didnt you know?.. big or small[lol]bring it on
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Reply #2 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 6:54am
 
btw just because these countries claim a carbon tax doesnt mean it will change anything!!!!!. if all this is true.. then the aussie pittance wont make the slightest difference.

it would be like us donating a cup full of water to the worlds water tank of the future.
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Reply #3 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:02am
 
"I dont TRUST one word that comes from this govt...or any Labor govt for that matter.." - Codswal

If your mind wasn't so obviously closed you would have READ THE ARTICLE and realised that the report has NOTHING TO DO WITH LABOR.

FFS codswal. At least TRY to demonstrate some intellectual rigour.

"The report by British consultant Vivid Economics backs studies that have found a direct carbon price through a trading scheme or tax is the cheapest way to reduce emissions, and warns that Australia risks losing competitiveness if it is late in embracing clean technology."
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Reply #4 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:13am
 
Please delete wrote on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:02am:
"I dont TRUST one word that comes from this govt...or any Labor govt for that matter.." - Codswal

If your mind wasn't so obviously closed you would have READ THE ARTICLE and realised that the report has NOTHING TO DO WITH LABOR.

FFS codswal. At least TRY to demonstrate some intellectual rigour.

"The report by British consultant Vivid Economics backs studies that have found a direct carbon price through a trading scheme or tax is the cheapest way to reduce emissions, and warns that Australia risks losing competitiveness if it is late in embracing clean technology."


I have a deep and abiding distrust of people and govts that think a tax is a way to make societal change. taxes have one purpose: raise funds. my distrust in a carbon tax is not som much the inteded goal but rather the fact that is is a tax and will teherefore be used by govts to raise money as the primary object.
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Reply #5 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:13am
 
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Should we be  embarrassed to carry on the way we do
( well SOME of us) Abbott springs to mind....?


Australia's climate policies, such as the national renewable energy target, were found to be equivalent to forcing the power industry to pay $US1.70 ($A1.71) per tonne of carbon dioxide.

By contrast, China has an underlying carbon price on its power sector of $US14.20 - eight times higher. China's policies include the forced shutdown of its worst-performing coal-fired power stations, and the world's largest renewable energy program - $US35 billion invested last year, compared with $US18 billion in the US. It is considering a carbon trading scheme.

Britain ($US29.30 a tonne), the US ($US5.10) and Japan ($US3.10)[/b] were each found to be ahead of Australia in encouraging a shift to cleaner power.

http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-lags-far-behind-on...

Economist and government adviser Ross Garnaut recently said convincing Australians how much other countries - particularly China - were doing to tackle climate change was one of the most important challenges facing the government.
''I am frankly shocked at how persistent the ignorance in Australia is of that,'' Professor Garnaut said. ''It is as if a lead veil had been inserted around the brains of most Australians and made them impervious to information that is not secret, about what is going on in other countries.''




[[b]i]And this would be the same Ross Garnaut, the great saver of the environment and Economist that puts his own money making schemes ahead of the welfare of the environment:[/i]


Climate change expert Ross Garnaut behind controversial PNG mines
From: AAP
September 09, 2010 10:46PM

CLIMATE-change expert Ross Garnaut is linked with two companies accused of using a controversial method of releasing mine waste into rivers and the ocean in Papua New Guinea.
Professor Garnaut conducted the Rudd government's 2008 climate-change review which urged action on the issue, including an emissions trading scheme.

But the economist also chairs Lihir Gold, a mining company which has merged with Newcrest Gold, and he is a director of OK Tedi Mining Limited.Lihir was the subject of a takeover bid by Newcrest Mining and Prof Garnaut will relinquish his $US300,000 ($A327,225) role as a result of the merger.

The Lihir group is set to produce one million ounces of gold a year on Lihir Island, 900km north of Port Moresby.

OK Tedi extracts copper, gold and silver from its remote Star Mountains operation in PNG's Western Province where it reportedly discharges 56 million tonnes of metalliferous waste into local river systems each year.
Tiffany Nonggorr, a lawyer representing indigenous PNG landowners, says the practice by Lihir of dumping billions of tonnes of mine waste and metalliferous tailings, including cyanide and heavy metals, is a great concern.The practice is banned in China, Canada and the US."This sort of technology is frontier technology," Ms Nonggorr told ABC Television tonight.

OK Tedi's operation is already having a far-reaching impact, she said, quoting "a couple of studies" by the CSIRO.

"They quite clearly show that this deep-sea tailings placement has severely impacted the ecology of the area," Ms Nonggorr said.

The river where the tailings are dumped has been left a "moonscape" and she estimated that the copper levels 800km from the mine in the river's silt are 3000 times the safe level.

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Reply #6 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:17am
 
Garnaut remains the Chair of Lihir Gold, which is now in the top 100 companies by market capitalisation on the Australian Stock Exchange.
Garnaut’s experience and connections at the intersection of government, trade and mining have proved lucrative beyond the wildest dreams of other academics. By 2000 he was advising global oil giant Exxon on "fiscal arrangements in the petroleum industry" and sitting on the PNG Sustainable Development Program - the PNG Government body that ended up owning the Ok Tedi mine after BHP washed its hands of it.
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Reply #7 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:37am
 
Please delete wrote on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:02am:
"I dont TRUST one word that comes from this govt...or any Labor govt for that matter.." - Codswal

If your mind wasn't so obviously closed you would have READ THE ARTICLE and realised that the report has NOTHING TO DO WITH LABOR.

FFS codswal. At least TRY to demonstrate some intellectual rigour.

"The report by British consultant Vivid Economics backs studies that have found a direct carbon price through a trading scheme or tax is the cheapest way to reduce emissions, and warns that Australia risks losing competitiveness if it is late in embracing clean technology."



btw I was reading  Gaunaut an employee of this govt I understand... sorry your worship!!!.
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Reply #8 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:40am
 
nichy wrote on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:17am:
Garnaut remains the Chair of Lihir Gold, which is now in the top 100 companies by market capitalisation on the Australian Stock Exchange.
Garnaut’s experience and connections at the intersection of government, trade and mining have proved lucrative beyond the wildest dreams of other academics. By 2000 he was advising global oil giant Exxon on "fiscal arrangements in the petroleum industry" and sitting on the PNG Sustainable Development Program - the PNG Government body that ended up owning the Ok Tedi mine after BHP washed its hands of it.



WOW and double WOW... veg will be upset she is always quoting Turnbulls dubious connections..thanks for that
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"btw I was reading  Gaunaut an employee of this govt I understand"

Of course you were. You didn't read the article before rushing to judgment.

And Garnaut is not part of government, no more than Ken Henry is. But don't let that stop you.
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Reply #10 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:43am
 
I love the greens.. a BIG NEW TAX will automatically fix everythinggggg..does anyone like what they do with the money they receive NOW?.. I know I dont.
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One has to wonder how much this entrepeneur and Economist will stand to make from a carbon tax.

He sounds like an opportunist and a fraud to me


Economist and government adviser Ross Garnaut recently said convincing Australians how much other countries - particularly China - were doing to tackle climate change was one of the most important challenges facing the government.

''I am frankly shocked at how persistent the ignorance in Australia is of that,'' Professor Garnaut said. ''It is as if a lead veil had been inserted around the brains of most Australians and made them impervious to information that is not secret, about what is going on in other countries.''

The Vivid analysis found Britain's high implied carbon price was due to the European emissions trading scheme, the British tax on fossil fuel power generation and its renewable energy target.

In the US, the implied carbon price has been driven mainly by tax credits to encourage investment in renewable energy. The US Senate has rejected emissions trading.
http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-lags-far-behind-on-climate-policies-20101018-16qu4.html
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Reply #12 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:19am
 
Please delete wrote on Oct 19th, 2010 at 7:41am:
"btw I was reading  Gaunaut an employee of this govt I understand"

Of course you were. You didn't read the article before rushing to judgment.

And Garnaut is not part of government, no more than Ken Henry is. But don't let that stop you.



oh dear and of course you are not twisting things to suit.. it goes with the left I am afraid twist every word..

he was commissioned by rudd and Co to do a report on climate change to my memory he was asked to go back and rectify several times the bits  they didnt like..lol.. makes it all v ery honest doesnt it.. anyway this man is repeating what this report said... in fact he is calling us IGNORANT or was that in this british report??

no I didnt read the full artical it says things that are never ever verified.. like the sc ientist reports years later it comes out that were wrong..that some even cheated..so why would I believe this..like I say I dont condemn you for believeing it.. so kindly dont condemn me.
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Reply #13 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:26am
 

Ok point taken about Garnaut, so lets forget him as he only commented on it. The real issue here is we will pay a pitance compared to most other countries and still we whinge.
Are we the new poms (thanks to Opposition) and how must other countries be viewing us (again ,due to the opposition)...?
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Reply #14 - Oct 19th, 2010 at 8:29am
 
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Ok point taken about Garnaut, so lets forget him as he only commented on it. The real issue here is we will pay a pitance compared to most other countries and still we whinge.
Are we the new poms (thanks to Opposition) and how must other countries be viewing us (again ,due to the opposition)...?



You're a fking idiot!
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