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Reply #255 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 9:55am
 
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Two Tamil refugees who spent time in the Christmas Island detention centre allegedly attacked a man at the weekend who arrived in Australia on the same boat as one of the accused pair, a court was told yesterday.

Suthakaran Arumugan, 23, and Mayuran Theiventhram, 25, appeared in the Fremantle Magistrate's Court charged with unlawful wounding and grievous bodily harm after a bloody fight in Langford on Sunday.

Police prosecutor Sgt Neil Regan said the two men allegedly bashed the victim with a tomahawk axe and a knife after he had tried to run away from a brawl involving "car loads" of people.

He said Mr Theiventhram had come to Australia on the same boat as the 32-year-old victim.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/8340412/boat-people-link-to-langford-attack/



So should they be deported, or should we wait until they savagely assault or murder australians first?




I see that you refer to them as Tamils....are they Sri Lankians or Indians or Pakistanis?

Or cant we now name their country due to the PC nutters who would claim racist?
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Reply #256 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 9:59am
 
'Most of these alleged refugees to places such as Canada, Australia and Europe are hardcore LTTE people.

The Tigers are trying to regroup to keep the movement alive because of the success of our military engagement in Sri Lanka.

If these are so called refugees, where are the women and children?

It is for these reasons we have, as a Government, requested to the host nations that these people are denied entry and sent back to Sri Lanka to face the justice that is demanded by our people.'


Sumith Dassanayake,
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Reply #257 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 10:15am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 9:59am:
'Most of these alleged refugees to places such as Canada, Australia and Europe are hardcore LTTE people.

The Tigers are trying to regroup to keep the movement alive because of the success of our military engagement in Sri Lanka.

If these are so called refugees, where are the women and children?

It is for these reasons we have, as a Government, requested to the host nations that these people are denied entry and sent back to Sri Lanka to face the justice that is demanded by our people.'


Sumith Dassanayake,
Sri Lankan High Commission, Ottawa





"There are none so blind as those who don't want to see" 

My heart certainly doesn't bleed for the Tamils.
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Reply #258 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 10:41am
 
JC Denton wrote on Nov 17th, 2010 at 6:05pm:
It matters for the same reason that family matters. A race is just a big extended family and many people have an implicit or explicit preference for their own race. The ethnic phenomeon is very difficult to understand if you just think of it in terms of just one, single loyality. It doesn't work that way at all in reality and people have various loyalities and ingroup and outgroup senses. People organize themselves into various groups and race appears to be indisputably a major aspect of that. Wesley put it that people just prefer people who are like themselves, and because race is a major part of who we are ourselves (in terms of how we look and act) an incontrovertible ethnic phenomeon emerges. This is true all over the world.

http://www.amazon.com/Conflicts-Explained-Nepotism-Research-Biopolitics/dp/0762305835

It doesn't matter that much to me personally, though I will admit I do feel far more comfortable around people who are white and am almost entirely only attracted to white (though I acknowledge the high average level of beauty of Oriental women) women. Even if you don't believe that what I say about HBD (that say, a psychometric intelligence etc. is important and contributes significantly to the variance in life outcomes) is true, if it is true it in itself is not sufficient to create some kind of exclusive immigration policy or even an immigration policy that takes race into account because there is too much overlap between the races in these traits (and that obviously, whites take a second place to Oriental East-Asians) It is the potential consequences of the multiethnic phenomeon, and admittedly some subjective factors, that drives my desire to retain a relatively homogenous society, though this doesn't mean I think "only white people should be allowed to come here".

And no, I don't think the things I am describing are social constructions.

I don't think it's an unreasonable opinion to take. I'm not the one advocating lebenstraum, mistreatment of foreign peoples, invading Muslim countries, etc. Ideally I like to think of myself as a pan-nationalist who advocates self-determination for all peoples and nations. Though this would probably be naive given the actual reality of geopolitics, which you seem to "get".


Imperium, pan-nationalism was about developing countries creating their own national destinies. It was not about race. It was a response to colonialism and the continued exploitation of developing by developed countries. It came from a position of weakness and exploitation. You can't say the "white race" is exploited. Only Nazis and the KKK would go on about it being weakened.

You're not talking about pan nationalism here, but a system of Aparteid.

I can't think of one aspect of my life where race is a factor: the workplace, school, where I shop, who I hang out with, my extended family. Why would anyone feel more or less comfortable around one particular race or another? You might as well love or hate redheads, or people with beards or glasses.

Your family idea is not realistic in a globalized world. I know so many interracial families it would be ludicrous to suggest that part of them is white - or that part of their kids' blood is white, or mulatto, or quarter-caste. It's a silly way to categorise people, and it makes no sense. The world has moved on from such a colonial discourse because the economy itself has changed.

In a nutshell, we've moved from an economy driven by slavery to one of wage-labour. We now live in a world of globalized capital, and this requires globalized labour too. Sure, it would be nice to return to the days of national autonomy, tariffs, the currency gold standard, nationalised industry, full employment - but I doubt that this will be possible any time soon. But the White Australia Policy? Why?

Race itself is a social construction. In Britain, the Celts were colonised by the Romans, and then the Angles, Saxons and Normans. If Africans had got up there, I guess I'd have a different race. A country's race is determined by its history, and its history is determined by its politics and economy.

If you only feel comfortable around whites, this could be a problem. It's not up to the world to change, but you. If you find yourself wondering, for example, whether a friend, co-worker or lover has a touch of the tarbrush in them, I'd definately see this as something that clouds your thinking and limits your ability to accept people as they are.

We have reason so that we can cure our prejudices, not back them up with half-baked theories. Theories don't exist for the sake of having theories - they should be there to help us to change the world or ourselves for the better.

If a belief-system alienates you, others, or seeks to divide, it's wrong. People are obsessed with changing things around them - things that, let's face it, will never change. They bleat on about this or that; blaming and judging, and deluding themselves in the process. Wesley Pipes thinks that the White Australia Policy is coming back. Not one mainstream party has this as a policy but, it'll happen soon...

What is possible is to change yourself. It's hard, often lonely, and it takes time. But we're not going to change others - we very rarely do. Others have to change themselves.
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Reply #259 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 10:49am
 
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Wesley Pipes thinks that the White Australia Policy is coming back. Not one mainstream party has this as a policy but, it'll happen soon...



he does?  That's news to me...and kinda contradicts what I said earlier in this thread:

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I see you're attemtping to be cyncial, but it's actually true....excpet I doubt we will be returning to a white australia policy.

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Reply #260 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 10:59am
 
... wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 10:49am:
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Wesley Pipes thinks that the White Australia Policy is coming back. Not one mainstream party has this as a policy but, it'll happen soon...



he does?  That's news to me...and kinda contradicts what I said earlier in this thread:

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I see you're attemtping to be cyncial, but it's actually true....excpet I doubt we will be returning to a white australia policy.




People aren't half quick to assume things about others and their views on here.
I spoke about the need to ensure we keep the migrants into Australia to skilled people from the developed world and all the idiots read that as a demand for a policy of Apartheid.

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Reply #261 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:01am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 10:59am:
... wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 10:49am:
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Wesley Pipes thinks that the White Australia Policy is coming back. Not one mainstream party has this as a policy but, it'll happen soon...



he does?  That's news to me...and kinda contradicts what I said earlier in this thread:

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I see you're attemtping to be cyncial, but it's actually true....excpet I doubt we will be returning to a white australia policy.




People aren't half quick to assume things about others and their views on here.
I spoke about the need to ensure we keep the migrants into Australia to skilled people from the developed world and all the idiots read that as a demand for a policy of Apartheid.




Yeah I noticed that too.

The (factual) statement that Australia is a predominantly white country, when run through a leftard mind somehow eqautes to: Kill everyone non-white, preserve racial purity blah blah blaaaaah.
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Reply #262 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:02am
 
I was referring to this:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2010 at 4:15pm:
I see you're attemtping to be cyncial, but it's actually true....excpet I doubt we will be returning to a white australia policy.


I got you wrong. Please accept my humble apologies.
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Reply #263 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:04am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 10:59am:
... wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 10:49am:
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Wesley Pipes thinks that the White Australia Policy is coming back. Not one mainstream party has this as a policy but, it'll happen soon...



he does?  That's news to me...and kinda contradicts what I said earlier in this thread:

Quote:
I see you're attemtping to be cyncial, but it's actually true....excpet I doubt we will be returning to a white australia policy.




People aren't half quick to assume things about others and their views on here.
I spoke about the need to ensure we keep the migrants into Australia to skilled people from the developed world and all the idiots read that as a demand for a policy of Apartheid.



Ah - thanks for proving us with the right spelling for that one, AH.

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Reply #264 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:07am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 9:38am:
I'm keen to hear darkhall how you think bringing in unskilled, third world people who have no assets and are liabilities on our resources benefits Australia economically?

If you ran a business like that you'd go bust in the first year.





Except we are not "bringing them in".


We  are just helping the trickle of poor refugees who manage to make it to australia.

It may very well cost us financially in the short run but being a good world citizen has its own rewards.
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Reply #265 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:07am
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:02am:
I was referring to this:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2010 at 4:15pm:
I see you're attemtping to be cyncial, but it's actually true....excpet I doubt we will be returning to a white australia policy.


I got you wrong. Please accept my humble apologies.


Humble apolgies accepted.  Wink
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Reply #266 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:09am
 
darkhall67 wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:07am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 9:38am:
I'm keen to hear darkhall how you think bringing in unskilled, third world people who have no assets and are liabilities on our resources benefits Australia economically?

If you ran a business like that you'd go bust in the first year.





Except we are not "bringing them in".


We  are just helping the trickle of poor refugees who manage to make it to australia.

It may very well cost us financially in the short run but being a good world citizen has its own rewards.




rewards...such as?
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Reply #267 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:11am
 
darkhall67 wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:07am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 9:38am:
I'm keen to hear darkhall how you think bringing in unskilled, third world people who have no assets and are liabilities on our resources benefits Australia economically?

If you ran a business like that you'd go bust in the first year.





Except we are not "bringing them in".


We  are just helping the trickle of poor refugees who manage to make it to australia.

It may very well cost us financially in the short run but being a good world citizen has its own rewards.


So you admit it has no benefit to us economically whatsoever?

Not to mention the ghettoisation of our communities?
You would also admit that these people do not mingle with the rest of us and instead set up areas where those from their same background are?

So it costs us financially, it dilutes the social and ethnic mix of the country, it brings in people who have little concept of law and order and we have a set of people with no skills who we have to support.

Gee what a good idea.

Doesn't it make my idea of bringing in net contrbuters to the country from skilled developed parts of the world seem rather silly eh?

I came to Australia as a skilled worker, I mingled with Aussies, I paid into the country and I took nothing from it. I bought my own house and I abided by the law.
Can we say the same for the boats of shoe shiners?
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Reply #268 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:12am
 
A warm fuzzy feeling about helping desperate people?

A confirmation that the australian idea of "mateship" and "a fair go" arent just national myths?
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Reply #269 - Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:14am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:11am:
darkhall67 wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 11:07am:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 18th, 2010 at 9:38am:
I'm keen to hear darkhall how you think bringing in unskilled, third world people who have no assets and are liabilities on our resources benefits Australia economically?

If you ran a business like that you'd go bust in the first year.





Except we are not "bringing them in".


We  are just helping the trickle of poor refugees who manage to make it to australia.

It may very well cost us financially in the short run but being a good world citizen has its own rewards.


So you admit it has no benefit to us economically whatsoever?

Not to mention the ghettoisation of our communities?
You would also admit that these people do not mingle with the rest of us and instead set up areas where those from their same background are?

So it costs us financially, it dilutes the social and ethnic mix of the country, it brings in people who have little concept of law and order and we have a set of people with no skills who we have to support.

Gee what a good idea.

Doesn't it make my idea of bringing in net contrbuters to the country from skilled developed parts of the world seem rather silly eh?

I came to Australia as a skilled worker, I mingled with Aussies, I paid into the country and I took nothing from it. I bought my own house and I abided by the law.
Can we say the same for the boats of shoe shiners?




We are talking about REFUGEES here NOT migrants , skilled or unskilled.
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