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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #90 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:47am "How about thy show some proof on these allegations first." So you don't like what one person says, so "end of debate"???
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #92 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:51am

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/IG20Dh01.html

Jul 20, 2007

"Japan's nuclear plans in disarray
By Suvendrini Kakuchi

TOKYO - Reports of radiation leakages at a nuclear power plant after the Niigata earthquake on Monday have raised widespread public alarm and dealt a devastating blow to the Japanese government's plans to boost the nuclear-power industry, both domestically and abroad.

"The problems now being reported from the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa nuclear plant are deeply alarming. They prove that Japan is not prepared for a nuclear-power disaster, especially during an earthquake, and can never be,'' said Professor Hiroaki Koide, a

nuclear-safety specialist at Kyoto University"

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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #93 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:54am Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 6:59am: One of the ALP's main policies was No Nuclear Power. I say WAS as looks like that is about to change. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/labor-ready-to-say-bewdy-nuke/story-e6freuy9-1225963533476 Was this an election promise?
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #94 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:54am

muso wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:40am:

You think it will be built with public money?

If it's going to be government run, I'll change my vote.

Of course there will be a massive amount of government funding going into it - although I assume it will be privately owned. We don't have the expertise here to run a NP station and all personnel will be imported. We have nowhere to store the waste and if you remember - Howard was spruiking that 25 NP stations should be littered up and down the east coast.

I believe that a deal was signed with the GNEC - Global Nuclear Energy Partnership - with Bush at the 2007 APEC meeting for these NP stations and that we are destined for them whether we want it or not.

All the deals made by the Coalition are being fulfilled by Labor. Martin Ferguson is a nuclear lobbyist and a possible Liberal plant - although who can tell the difference between either party's members these days.

We should be well on the way to huge investments in renewable energy at present - but here we are opening more and more longwall coal mines and considering Nuclear Power plants.

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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #95 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:55am Please delete wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:47am: "How about thy show some proof on these allegations first." So you don't like what one person says, so "end of debate"??? It makes it impossible to counter an baseless claim, hence there is no debate to be had.
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #96 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:56am

codswal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:35am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:13am:

Please delete wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 7:53am:

I love this call - let's have a debate about having a debate.

OK, I'll start - where is a specific proposal for one of the NPPs?

68% or so of Australians don't want one in their back yards - so there's a question to be answered.

What technology, and where, and who is going to build it?

No one ever wants ANYTHING in their backyard so thats nothing special. no development or infrastructure EVER gets local support. And in australia here is PLENTY of space so that it is not close to anyone.

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well they dont want dams either do they... so now they find out they will be drinking water contaminated by sewage thanks to the desalination plants..give me a dam any day..

as for the dingaling that thinks 3 people make a policy...lol..

I guess that the aboriginals will claim for compensation for destroying "native" grasses

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #97 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:04pm "It makes it impossible to counter an baseless claim" Gee, is this the first time you've experienced that?
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #98 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:07pm

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:28am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:21am:

Quick question Equit...
WHEN was the last nuclear reactor accident that injured a civilian????

More to the point: -

WHEN was the last disclosed nuclear reactor accident that injured a civilian????

WHEN and WHERE will be the next nuclear reactor accident that injures a civilian????

Feeling lucky????

Hint: most people buy lottery and lotto tickets on worse odds of winning the big one - KABOOM!!!!

Do you not travel on planes because some have crashed?

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #99 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:09pm

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:56am:

codswal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:35am:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:13am:

Please delete wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 7:53am:

I love this call - let's have a debate about having a debate.

OK, I'll start - where is a specific proposal for one of the NPPs?

68% or so of Australians don't want one in their back yards - so there's a question to be answered.

What technology, and where, and who is going to build it?

No one ever wants ANYTHING in their backyard so thats nothing special. no development or infrastructure EVER gets local support. And in australia here is PLENTY of space so that it is not close to anyone.

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well they dont want dams either do they... so now they find out they will be drinking water contaminated by sewage thanks to the desalination plants..give me a dam any day..

as for the dingaling that thinks 3 people make a policy...lol..

I guess that the aboriginals will claim for compensation for destroying "native" grasses

Those layabouts woulf lay a claim if someone sneezed in the wrong direction.

If we're going to talk about technology and advancement, I am not sure those useless fkers can contribute with anything meaningful.

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #100 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:17pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:07pm:

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:28am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:21am:

Quick question Equit...
WHEN was the last nuclear reactor accident that injured a civilian????

More to the point: -

WHEN was the last disclosed nuclear reactor accident that injured a civilian????

WHEN and WHERE will be the next nuclear reactor accident that injures a civilian????

Feeling lucky????

Hint: most people buy lottery and lotto tickets on worse odds of winning the big one - KABOOM!!!!

Do you not travel on planes because some have crashed?

Yes, occasionally I do - I plan to fly to California in a matter of weeks...

Which reminds me: I must find our passports - pronto - or fork out over $600 for new ones!

Verge wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:55am:

Please delete wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:47am:

"How about thy show some proof on these allegations first."

So you don't like what one person says, so "end of debate"???

It makes it impossible to counter an baseless claim, hence there is no debate to be had.

This answer applies to everyone who has challenged my opposition to nukes: some risks are not worth taking - period!

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Reply #101 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:18pm

darkhall67 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:46am:

The second one was in 2004

And if you mean THIS...
"Japan's worst accident at a nuclear power plant has shaken public confidence in the industry's safety record with activists blaming the country's lax nuclear regulations for the mishap that killed four and injured seven others at the plant west of the capital.

''The lives of the workers could have been saved if proper checks were carried out on the plant. The accident has revealed a blatant disregard for protecting people from nuclear power accidents,'' Kazue Suzuki, a nuclear power expert at Greenpeace Japan, told IPS.

The accident occurred on Monday after super-heated steam leaked through a hole in a pipe that feeds steam in the turbine facility of the Mihama Nuclear Power Plant, the second reactor among three operated in Fukui Prefecture, 300 kilometers west of Tokyo."

Then it doesn't really count....it was a leaking STEAM pipe, not damage to the reactor...The same accident could occur at a natural gas or coal fueled turbine power plant...

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Reply #102 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:23pm

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:17pm:

Yes, occasionally I do - I plan to fly to California in a matter of weeks...

Which reminds me: I must find our passports - pronto - or fork out over $600 for new ones!

But there have been plane crashes and people killed.
Surely you are recklessly putting your children at risk?

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Reply #103 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:24pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:18pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:46am:

The second one was in 2004

And if you mean THIS...
"Japan's worst accident at a nuclear power plant has shaken public confidence in the industry's safety record with activists blaming the country's lax nuclear regulations for the mishap that killed four and injured seven others at the plant west of the capital.

''The lives of the workers could have been saved if proper checks were carried out on the plant. The accident has revealed a blatant disregard for protecting people from nuclear power accidents,'' Kazue Suzuki, a nuclear power expert at Greenpeace Japan, told IPS.

The accident occurred on Monday after super-heated steam leaked through a hole in a pipe that feeds steam in the turbine facility of the Mihama Nuclear Power Plant, the second reactor among three operated in Fukui Prefecture, 300 kilometers west of Tokyo."

Then it doesn't really count....it was a leaking STEAM pipe, not damage to the reactor...The same accident could occur at a natural gas or coal fueled turbine power plant...

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #104 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:27pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:23pm:

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:17pm:

Yes, occasionally I do - I plan to fly to California in a matter of weeks...

Which reminds me: I must find our passports - pronto - or fork out over $600 for new ones!

But there have been plane crashes and people killed.
Surely you are recklessly putting your children at risk?

Indeed, and we will be going on two flights of less than 24hours on two days in one month of one year of one decade - our second international trip in 2 decades - which is not quite the same as living within 2km (or even 24km) of a nuclear power plant, day in and day out, month after month, year after year, decade after decade...

Now, assuming that we arrive safely, are you gonna come and watch my son perform or not!?

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I support Nuclear Power in OZ 100% I support a Nuke plant in MY backyard I support a Nuke plant in YOUR backyard I'm not sure if I support Nukes in OZ Nukes will cause mass Darwin Awards Nukes: a short term solution & long term problem No way, no Nukes for OZ - never! The LibLabs must stop sabotaging renewables « Last Modified by: Equitist on: Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:15am »