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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #135 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:28pm

mantra wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:01pm:

How many nuclear plants have been approved??

None. Julia Gillard announced today that "nuclear power was not a viable option for Australia".

Fantastic decision and a brave one especially with the rumblings within her Ministry.

Let's see what the media does to her now?

Gillard is also on the record for saying there will be no Carbon Tax in the government she leads, but guess what they are investigating now.

Her word isnt worth much.

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #136 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:33pm

mantra wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:01pm:

How many nuclear plants have been approved??

None. Julia Gillard announced today that "nuclear power was not a viable option for Australia".

Fantastic decision and a brave one especially with the rumblings coming from her Ministry.

Let's see what the media does to her now?

Of course she did. The Greens are 1000% against it and she needs EVERY vote she can get. it has nothing with 'viability'. it is EVERYTHING to do with her inability to govern with teh gay greens in tow.

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #137 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:35pm

Verge wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:28pm:

mantra wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:01pm:

How many nuclear plants have been approved??

None. Julia Gillard announced today that "nuclear power was not a viable option for Australia".

Fantastic decision and a brave one especially with the rumblings within her Ministry.

Let's see what the media does to her now?

Gillard is also on the record for saying there will be no Carbon Tax in the government she leads, but guess what they are investigating now.

Her word isnt worth much.

her word is worthless. you can predict her position on ANY policy on how it affects her govts liklihood of surviving. Compared to her, even Rudd looks like a man of principle.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #138 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:47pm

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you can predict her position on ANY policy on how it affects her govts liklihood of surviving

LOL, what percentage of Australians have you seen that are 100% behind nuke power? I've never seen any poll that has the numbers at even 35%. Thats because unlike you, most aussies realise we have better options in THIS country, I'm not saying nuke power isn't suitable for some countries, its just not suitable for here when we have so many more options than others.

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #139 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:52pm

Verge wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:28pm:

mantra wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:01pm:

How many nuclear plants have been approved??

None. Julia Gillard announced today that "nuclear power was not a viable option for Australia".

Fantastic decision and a brave one especially with the rumblings within her Ministry.

Let's see what the media does to her now?

Gillard is also on the record for saying there will be no Carbon Tax in the government she leads, but guess what they are investigating now.

Her word isnt worth much.

Is Julia a role model advocate for when a woman says no, she really means yes?

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #140 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:54pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:47pm:

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you can predict her position on ANY policy on how it affects her govts liklihood of surviving

LOL, what percentage of Australians have you seen that are 100% behind nuke power? I've never seen any poll that has the numbers at even 35%. Thats because unlike you, most aussies realise we have better options in THIS country, I'm not saying nuke power isn't suitable for some countries, its just not suitable for here when we have so many more options than others.

and you think Gillard's position is a PRINCIPLED one?? her position on ANY policy is about keeping her govt together and nothing else.

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #141 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:56pm

Longy, a risk assessment is a function of the severity and likelihood of any accident occurring...

Where the consequences can involve the serious injury or death of a person, the precautionary measures must be rigorous and comprehensive - so as to limit the coincidence of risk factors...

Where danger is towards the extreme end of the scale -involving dangerous substances, reactions, intense heat and potentially the deaths of a large number of people - the best solution is to avoid the activity altogether...especially when there are infinitely less risky and more cost-effective and sustainable options available...

Nuke plants are unnecessarily risky - as is the transportation, handling, storage and disposal of nuclear fuel and decommissioning plant...

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #143 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:59pm

mantra wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:01pm:

How many nuclear plants have been approved??

None. Julia Gillard announced today that "nuclear power was not a viable option for Australia".

Fantastic decision and a brave one especially with the rumblings coming from her Ministry.

Let's see what the media does to her now?

Then Julia is an idiot...Nuclear power is the BEST power that doesn't have a 'carbon footprint'...

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #144 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 5:08pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:59pm:

mantra wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:01pm:

How many nuclear plants have been approved??

None. Julia Gillard announced today that "nuclear power was not a viable option for Australia".

Fantastic decision and a brave one especially with the rumblings coming from her Ministry.

Let's see what the media does to her now?

Then Julia is an idiot...Nuclear power is the BEST power that doesn't have a 'carbon footprint'...

Are you sure about that?

Considering the costs involved in the infrastructure it would certainly allow Wayne Swan an opportunity to pass off a few blackholes in his budget and attribute them towards any Power Plant.

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #145 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 5:11pm

Serious question: can the Federal Govt legislate against any State approving a nuke plant?

If not, then the pro-nuke Libs can propose and approve the first two Oz plants in Victoria and WA...

I'm betting that neither of them will have the guts to go that way any time soon - lest they wanna risk being turfed out after only 1 term...

That said, unlike Victoria, WA is a large state with a small population - so they may have a better chance of to bribing and incentivising a remote and under-resourced electorate...

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Reply #146 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 5:22pm

"You are taking an absolutist approach to the question."

In response to overblown claims - "illegal" "genuine opinions (not) permitted".

"is is actually illegal? without a permit, yes. can that permit be gotten from the existing fed govt? no. answer your question? "

Needing a permit is not the definition of "illegal".

Show me one application that has been rejected - I am trying to show you that there is NO COMMERCIAL INTEREST in this.

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #147 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 5:22pm

There's probably nothing stopping the pro-nuke Libs from putting up a private member's bill for the Productivity Commission to conduct some sort of review into the nukes v's renewables...

Meantime, which Aussie company or companies is/are interested - cos I wouldn't wanna risk a multinational that might stuff up and jump ship leaving Aussie taxpayers to clean up their mess...

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #148 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 5:24pm

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 4:56pm:

Longy, a risk assessment is a function of the severity and likelihood of any accident occurring...

Where the consequences can involve the serious injury or death of a person, the precautionary measures must be rigorous and comprehensive - so as to limit the coincidence of risk factors...

Where danger is towards the extreme end of the scale -involving dangerous substances, reactions, intense heat and potentially the deaths of a large number of people - the best solution is to avoid the activity altogether...especially when there are infinitely less risky and more cost-effective and sustainable options available...

Nuke plants are unnecessarily risky - as is the transportation, handling, storage and disposal of nuclear fuel and decommissioning plant...

and yet the world manages to run nukes all the time without accident. Chernobyl doesnt count because you beloved USSR didnt even CONSIDER safety an issue. Nukes are the safest industry about since there are no deaths from it.

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #149 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 5:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 5:24pm:

and yet the world manages to run nukes all the time without accident. Chernobyl doesnt count because you beloved USSR didnt even CONSIDER safety an issue. Nukes are the safest industry about since there are no deaths from it.

That's how the ALP approached the pink batts!
SO if the ALP got their hands on a nuclear power plant then would you think that the ALP would approach safety any differently?
Or would it be open for any derolict interested.

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