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Reply #150 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:27pm
 
Equitist wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:11pm:
Serious question: can the Federal Govt legislate against any State approving a nuke plant?

If not, then the pro-nuke Libs can propose and approve the first two Oz plants in Victoria and WA...

I'm betting that neither of them will have the guts to go that way any time soon - lest they wanna risk being turfed out after only 1 term...

That said, unlike Victoria, WA is a large state with a small population - so they may have a better chance of to bribing and incentivising a remote and under-resourced electorate...


it probably hasnt occured to you yet - so much doesnt - that in WA they could put a Nuke hundreds of Kms from a town. same is true of much of australia. your arguments remain hysterical and nonsensical. there isnt a measureed argument yet that you have brought forth.
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Reply #151 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:29pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:27pm:
Equitist wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:11pm:
Serious question: can the Federal Govt legislate against any State approving a nuke plant?

If not, then the pro-nuke Libs can propose and approve the first two Oz plants in Victoria and WA...

I'm betting that neither of them will have the guts to go that way any time soon - lest they wanna risk being turfed out after only 1 term...

That said, unlike Victoria, WA is a large state with a small population - so they may have a better chance of to bribing and incentivising a remote and under-resourced electorate...


it probably hasnt occured to you yet - so much doesnt - that in WA they could put a Nuke hundreds of Kms from a town. same is true of much of australia. your arguments remain hysterical and nonsensical. there isnt a measureed argument yet that you have brought forth.




I'm surprised that you read them longy, as most people just ignore it and/or laugh at it.
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Reply #152 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:31pm
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:22pm:
"You are taking an absolutist approach to the question."

In response to overblown claims - "illegal" "genuine opinions (not) permitted".

"is is actually illegal? without a permit, yes. can that permit be gotten from the existing fed govt? no. answer your question? "

Needing a permit is not the definition of "illegal".

Show me one application that has been rejected - I am trying to show you that there is NO COMMERCIAL INTEREST in this.


seriously... if i build something without a permit it is ILLEGAL and a court would confirm it and has done so. so you are wrong there.

as for 'no commercial interest', that is a statement of your opinion knowing almost none of the facts.  NO power company is going to put up a proposal for a nuke power plant in an environment when there is zero chance of it being approved. there is already a lot of pro-nuke lobbying by industry already. and there wil be no application until the political environment is such that it is a possibility. Does that make any sense? they arent building a road or a bridge. this is a $10B project. no one spends tens of millions on a cost benefit analysis, business plant and preliminary designs on something that has zero chance of being approved. An application to build is a LONG way away still.
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Reply #153 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:33pm
 
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:29pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:27pm:
Equitist wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:11pm:
Serious question: can the Federal Govt legislate against any State approving a nuke plant?

If not, then the pro-nuke Libs can propose and approve the first two Oz plants in Victoria and WA...

I'm betting that neither of them will have the guts to go that way any time soon - lest they wanna risk being turfed out after only 1 term...

That said, unlike Victoria, WA is a large state with a small population - so they may have a better chance of to bribing and incentivising a remote and under-resourced electorate...


it probably hasnt occured to you yet - so much doesnt - that in WA they could put a Nuke hundreds of Kms from a town. same is true of much of australia. your arguments remain hysterical and nonsensical. there isnt a measureed argument yet that you have brought forth.




I'm surprised that you read them longy, as most people just ignore it and/or laugh at it.


nemesis has several good points, but alas, logical and balanced non-hysterical reasonsing is not one of them!
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Reply #154 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:37pm
 
"if i build something without a permit it is ILLEGAL"

Well duhhhh.

Are you having a slow day?

"An application to build is a LONG way away still."

And so you want a debate in absence of ANY parameters.

The difference between this and your fury about the NBN is bizarre.
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Reply #155 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:39pm
 
And I note you have repeated the argument about NPs being located hundreds of kms away from towns - so I'll repeat my question.

Where? Where can they be located that has sufficient water? Especially on the east coast.
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Reply #156 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 6:04pm
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:37pm:
"if i build something without a permit it is ILLEGAL"

Well duhhhh.

Are you having a slow day?

"An application to build is a LONG way away still."

And so you want a debate in absence of ANY parameters.

The difference between this and your fury about the NBN is bizarre.


we want a debate that ESTABLISHES the parameters or is that too difficult for you to understand.  and there is no comparison between this and the NBN. I dont even know if i support nukes or not but I despise the way any debate on the topic is squashed just as Gillard did (again) today. Frankly I'd like to form my opinion after and open and honest public debate on the pros and cons of the issue.
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Reply #157 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 6:06pm
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 5:39pm:
And I note you have repeated the argument about NPs being located hundreds of kms away from towns - so I'll repeat my question.

Where? Where can they be located that has sufficient water? Especially on the east coast.


did yuou know that we have 3000kms of coast? we also have rivers. and here's a clue for you... it is just possible that much brighter people than you in the nuke lobby and industry have actually thought about that!
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Reply #158 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 6:11pm
 
"we want a debate"

Go for it. You're like children, "we want a debate, we want a debate, we want a debate".

"Frankly I'd like to form my opinion after and open and honest public debate on the pros and cons of the issue. "

Have the damned debate then! What on earth is stopping you? Labor? They have the power to stop you thinking, researching, debating?

"3000kms of coast? we also have rivers."

Name ONE PLACE in NSW or Victoria that meets those criteria.

Hundreds of miles from a town, with sufficient water (that isn't in a national park? Is that a factor).
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Reply #159 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 6:19pm
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 6:11pm:
"we want a debate"

Go for it. You're like children, "we want a debate, we want a debate, we want a debate".

"Frankly I'd like to form my opinion after and open and honest public debate on the pros and cons of the issue. "

Have the damned debate then! What on earth is stopping you? Labor? They have the power to stop you thinking, researching, debating?

"3000kms of coast? we also have rivers."

Name ONE PLACE in NSW or Victoria that meets those criteria.

Hundreds of miles from a town, with sufficient water (that isn't in a national park? Is that a factor).


You truly are an idiot. If you dont know what the term 'public debate' means then there is probably no way you'd understand the rest of the argument. You are anti-nuke. we get it . and you are anti it because of... oh yes. YOUR OPINION... formed after decades in the power industry and engineering.

You are just a small mind, spruiking your uninformed opinion and unwilling to investigate and consider an alternative. Some of us actually want a genuine debate that answers the questions we and the rest of australia has.
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Reply #160 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 6:23pm
 
"we want a debate, we want a debate, we want a debate".

Switkowski wasn't enough, under a sympathetic government? The debate happened then, and went absolutely nowhere.

And if you want to be so childish as to start name calling .... Why don't you hold your breath until you turn blue?
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Reply #161 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 6:24pm
 
And at least I have a clear position without pretending I haven't made my mind up yet, like yourself longweekend - more BS
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Reply #162 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 6:26pm
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 6:24pm:
And at least I have a clear position without pretending I haven't made my mind up yet, like yourself longweekend - more BS


Well I guess 'uninformed and dogmatic' IS a position - just not one most people would adopt.
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Reply #163 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 6:28pm
 
Unlike yrself - "I'm not decided yet" - what a load of garbage.

You've NEVER done anything except argue FOR nuclear power.
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Reply #164 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 6:37pm
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 6:28pm:
Unlike yrself - "I'm not decided yet" - what a load of garbage.

You've NEVER done anything except argue FOR nuclear power.


quite the contrary. It probably just seems like it to you when you adopt the 'never, ever, anywhere in my lifetime' position. I'd like to know the economic and viability assessment points. Im not anti-nuke in principle (as you are) nor am I pro-nuke. Im interested in the details and whether or not it is right for australia. I actually run a company that deals with  renewable energy and nuclead IS a technology that forms part of the mix in a low-emission energy environment overseas. You cant just cover the country in wind farms and solar cells. its alittle more complex than that!
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