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ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power (Read 20569 times)
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #195 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 5:16pm
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 5th, 2010 at 5:09pm:
"I refuse to use less power"

That's your right.


Not if the Greens party had their way.

The thing about these people is they are never content with living a certain way, which is their right.

They seem to think they should force the rest of us to do the same.

Whatever happened to freedom of choice?

If people want to use solar power, wind turbines, live in caravans, live off the land - then good luck to them.
Some of us would like to do nothing of the sort.
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Reply #196 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 5:18pm
 
"Whatever happened to freedom of choice?"

You have a choice to live the way you want - just pay more.
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Reply #197 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 5:19pm
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 5th, 2010 at 5:18pm:
"Whatever happened to freedom of choice?"

You have a choice to live the way you want - just pay more.


Why should I?
I don't in the USA.

The answer why is in the title.
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #198 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 5:22pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 5th, 2010 at 5:02pm:
Why not use -

1) Nuclear
2) Coal
3) Gas
4) Solar
5) Wind
6) Tidal

Why does it have to be just one and throw all the eggs in the one basket?

I'd like to see all of the above used for our power.
At the end of the day, the answer is not to consume less. I refuse to use less power. It is how we deliver it to people is where the answer lies.




Fair comment Andrei, but it's the cost factor especially the infrastructure.
Sure Nuclear plant is relatively cheap and not an issue. But the solar and wind are quite expensive by comparison.

So of course we would be best going for the cheapest and cleanest, and that'd be coal, but we are being forced to go for second best which would be nuclear.
So why is Gillard pushing for the most expensive - solar?
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Reply #199 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 5:22pm
 
Live in the USA then - another choice available to you
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Reply #200 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 5:46pm
 
"do as we say or go somewhere else, you have no choice on this"

Does anyone wonder why the Left created a wall and kept people behind it?
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Reply #201 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 5:51pm
 
Democracy is the ability to make choices - you are a lucky person to have so many options.
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Reply #202 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 5:53pm
 
And why is it not enough for Lefties and Hippies to live a certain way and get on with it?

Why do they feel the need to try and force the rest of us to do so?
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Reply #203 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 10:12pm
 
mantra wrote on Dec 5th, 2010 at 8:07am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 5th, 2010 at 7:51am:
I think you'd better do some research yourself mantra...
The lifespan of a nuclear power station is a minimum of 40 years....up to 60 years..


They are designed to last 30-40 years - notice the 30 - just in case.

Of course the Directors of Global Nuclear Energy spruik that they could last a lot longer with strict vigilence. Mind you we won't have Australians operating them - because we don't have the expertise.

Yes - the oldest nuclear reactor is 60 years old.....and are you suggesting that we treat them as old cars, just patch them up until we get our money's worth.

The only organisation regulating them is the Nuclear Commission.

Oyster Creek, the nation's oldest commercial nuclear power plant, began operating in 1969 and is literally rotting at its core. Experts say that Oyster Creek is past its time and the plant's design is unsafe. Its existing license will expire next April, however, a 20-year license renewal is currently undergoing appeals, which - if passed, would allow Oyster Creek to run until 2029.

Rutgers Law Clinic attorney Richard Webster has filed a court challenge to suspend the re-licensing plan. Webster believes the government's re-licensing process limits public input and largely ignores pressing safety issues at aging plants. "We hope that the NRC will wake up and protect people and not the interests of the nuclear industry," he states.



Tell me mantra.....how much of the Oyster Creek plant do you believe is still 'original equipment'?????
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Reply #204 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 10:16pm
 
mantra wrote on Dec 5th, 2010 at 12:05pm:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 5th, 2010 at 11:49am:
Mantra`s response to Gizmo : "You are right Gizmo - the life expectancy is about 40 years, but I can't see how that makes so much difference to the argument. 25 years - 40 years - does it really matter in the scheme of things? They still have to be replaced after a relatively short period."

Mantra, by your pwn admission, your assessment was out by 75%, or 15 years, and you have the nerve to try to fob your error off as insignifficant?   Grin Grin Grin Grin



How many 50 year old reactors do we have globally?

How long does it take us to build and replace an existing reactor?

While we can hope that a reactor has a life span of 50 years (rare) - we have to start building another one 15-20 years before it expires.

So do we leave it until it expires (whenever) or do we wait until it's 25 years old and then spend billions building another one to be ready 20 years down the track?

Once we've finished building the replacement - we then have to decommission the original. Can we afford both the cost of continually building and decommissioning.

Where is the waste going to go?

Do we have a finite source of uranium?

Don't you think solar power would be a more economical option?


The 'current' design generation III reactors have a base life span of 60 years of operation, extendable to 120+ years of operation prior to complete overhaul and reactor pressure vessel replacement..

And that doesn't count maintenance and smaller overhauls...
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #205 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 5:39pm
 
Well Gillard has canned the idea of nukes because adam bandt doesnt like them...

so remind me again who is PM?? It obviously isnt Gillard.
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Reply #206 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 7:04pm
 
I speak here from personal experience -

Oldbury
Berkeley
Hinkley Point

All nuclear power plants that I have grown up within 30 miles either way and all have provided accident-free nuclear emissions power to my region.

Nuclear power is clean and it works.
It has done for decades.
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #207 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 8:30pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 6th, 2010 at 5:39pm:
Well Gillard has canned the idea of nukes because adam bandt doesnt like them...

so remind me again who is PM?? It obviously isnt Gillard.





It was Liberal Party policy, for a fleeting moment
(bit of a weired phase they were going through)

It was NEVER Labor policy





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SOME Federal Government MPs are talking-up the prospect of nuclear power in Queensland after Prime Minister John Howard said he wouldn't mind living next door to a reactor.

Liberal backbencher Peter Lindsay said people in his north Queensland electorate based on Townsville were "coming around" to the idea of atomic energy.

Another Queensland Liberal, Steve Ciobo, said that if the Gold Coast were shortlisted for a reactor there would need to be extensive public consultation.

The calls came after Mr Howard yesterday strongly backed a final report into nuclear energy that said 25 reactors by 2050 could supply a third of the nation's energy.

"Nuclear power is part of the solution both to Australia's energy and climate change challenges," Mr Howard said.

He said that with Australia's uranium reserves, it would be "crazy in the extreme" not to consider nuclear energy.

On the key issue of where reactors should built, Mr Howard said he would not mind a nuclear plant next to his own home.

"I wouldn't have any objection, none whatsoever. I'm serious, quite serious," he said.

Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd condemned Mr Howard's support for atomic power.

"This is not strong leadership – it's wrong leadership for Australia's future," he said.

"There will be no nuclear reactors under a future Labor Government – end of story."

The dramatic developments yesterday set the stage for nuclear energy to be a key issue at next year's election.

Mr Howard argues nuclear power is part of a broader solution to climate change as reactors have almost zero emissions of carbon dioxide.

But Mr Rudd has ruled out nuclear power under Labor and has signalled he will step up the campaign warning people they could be forced to live near nuclear plants.

The Labor leader said he would be interested to know how many people in Mr Howard's own electorate "or anywhere in coastal Australia" wanted a reactor nearby.

Premier Peter Beattie, who is strongly opposed to nuclear energy, said many Queenslanders would not feel comfortable living next door to a reactor.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/howard-pushes-nuclear-power/story-e6...




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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #208 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 9:41pm
 
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Nuclear power is clean






SOLAR power is "clean"

WIND power is "clean"



ANY power source that produces waste with a half life of around 100,000 years cannot be defined as "clean"

'Below ground' is not an infinate resource as a dump for nuclear waste - as we discovered 'above ground' with carbon waste




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Reply #209 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 11:32pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 6th, 2010 at 9:41pm:
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Nuclear power is clean






SOLAR power is "clean"

WIND power is "clean"



ANY power source that produces waste with a half life of around 100,000 years cannot be defined as "clean"

'Below ground' is not an infinate resource as a dump for nuclear waste - as we discovered 'above ground' with carbon waste



Solar might be clean, but its not economically viable.

In NSW, 8 years before the cost of the installation pays for itself and thats after all the rebates.  Instead, if I drop the $20k in the bank at even the paltry 5% in 10 years Im much further in front and I still have my $20k where the solar panels will be worthless.

Wind, gotta admit I know nothing about it, but those big windmills look pretty cool.

Its nice to want to be green, but it needs to be viable too.
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