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Reply #210 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 4:59am
 
"but its not economically viable."

But I note none of you wants to respond to the links about NPP costs that I posted.

What is the payback period for a $10B power plant?

I also like the "tri-generation" solutions that are being rolled out in Sydney at the moment.

A micro power plant, providing power to a small precinct or club.

Once the work is done, and the reticulation of the power within the precinct is in place, we will have a solution that wind, solar, turbine (ie low GG emission power solutions) can be plugged seamlessly.

An excellent model of power generation away from the "power station" paradigm. Encouraging businesses to look at the economics and sense of generating their own power.
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Reply #211 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 6:35am
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 7th, 2010 at 4:59am:
"but its not economically viable."


What is the payback period for a $10B power plant?





Do you have a link for the $10billion.

As last I discovered a power plant was $2billion

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-02/china-nuclear-boom-sees-reactor-builders-risk-know-how-for-cash.html
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Reply #212 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 7:30am
 
And I answered you, with links and quotes.

Feel free to read my response.
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Reply #213 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 7:35am
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 7th, 2010 at 4:59am:
"but its not economically viable."

But I note none of you wants to respond to the links about NPP costs that I posted.

What is the payback period for a $10B power plant?


It depends on who builds it.....Once it becomes permissible to build a nuclear power station I'd imagine at least one of the privately owned (well mostly private) power companies would look at it....in which case, there isn't a 'payback' period that affects the tax payer....
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Reply #214 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 8:01am
 
"there isn't a 'payback' period that affects the tax payer.... "


Gizmo, except for the cost of their product, and the huge tax breaks (and direct subsidies) they will have to receive to get operational.
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Reply #215 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 8:34am
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 5th, 2010 at 5:53pm:
And why is it not enough for Lefties and Hippies to live a certain way and get on with it?

Why do they feel the need to try and force the rest of us to do so?


Are any of you so young, or so uninformed about our recent history, as to not know the contribution that 'the left and hippies", actually have made to this world?

Without the left and hippies, we would have dead rivers, polluted beyond recovery, oceans used as legal, uncontrolled dumping grounds for toxic waste, and the millions more species extinctions that naturally follow from such abuse.
No health care, in fact, no welfare at all, for the sick, old, or needy.

Just as an exercise, can anyone name a humane, moral, or charitable social advancement that was championed by the right wing of politics?
Have there even been any of these social reforms that they have not just, not introduced themselves, but also not actively been opposed to?

So try and imagine, if you can, a world where no lefties, or hippies, had ever had any influence.
It would be a dark, cruel, and dying world, wouldn't it?
So while the extreme left can actually transform into an evil totalitarian dystopian nightmare, when they take on unfettered power, like they did in the Communist regimes, a totally Capitalist world without the humanising influence of the left, is similarly unthinkable.

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Reply #216 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 8:53am
 
I disagree.

I class myself as on the Right side of the political spectrum and I believe in social justice and a fair advancement for all.

Thing is though, I have never been given a free ride in my life, never received any help from the Government and had to work hard.
The hippies and the Left seem to think that people shouldn't have to work hard and just be given things. I don't agree with that and I speak from personal experience of having to do things tough at times.

The cause of the Right is not an 'evil, dark one'.

It is about rewarding hardwork, it is about driving forward supply-demand economics, looking after your own people, creating innovation, the family unit, traditional moral values etc

The championing of social values is the not the sole domain of the Left.

Thing is every hippy I have seen (usually in England they were chained to some tree trying to prevent a by-pass being built) seems to have no concept of hard work.
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Reply #217 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:07am
 
Well if that is the case Andrei, perhaps you can rise to the challenge and point out the advances in Social Justice and Equity that have been delivered by the right?
Any environmental causes they have championed?
I also agree with the principle that people deserve to be rewarded for hard work, but that is not an over arching belief that necessitates that you also believe that all who do not live financially successful lives are just lazy.
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Reply #218 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:53am
 
Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 7th, 2010 at 6:35am:
Please delete wrote on Dec 7th, 2010 at 4:59am:
"but its not economically viable."


What is the payback period for a $10B power plant?





Do you have a link for the $10billion.

As last I discovered a power plant was $2billion

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-02/china-nuclear-boom-sees-reactor-builders-risk-know-how-for-cash.html




Still no link?


The cost of a nuclear power plant is just over $2billion.
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Reply #219 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:54am
 
Are you blind, man hater?
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Reply #220 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:57am
 
If nuclear power is sooooo bad - please would anyone care to explain why my hometown had 3 major nuclear power plants within 30 miles which have operated for decades without the slightest hint of an accident?
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Reply #221 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 11:57am
 
The cost of a nuclear power plant is just over $2billion.
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Reply #222 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 12:00pm
 
The cost (IN CHINA) of a nuclear power plant is (PROJECTED TO BE) just over $2billion.

If you genuinely believe it can be done in Australia for that little, against the experience in the USA and in Europe ..... well, go for it! Seek some backers!
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Reply #223 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 12:02pm
 
Baffles me how anyone can think emissions free power is a bad thing.
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Reply #224 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 12:06pm
 
I haven't attempted to argue against Nuclear Power - just adding to the debate, most usually in regard cost, which I would have thought would be interesting to you as a money man, and to coalition supporters in general, who are arguing that cost benefit analyses should be a starting point in such a large project.

(very clumsy sentence, but I'm not gonna rewrite it)
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