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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #225 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:07pm

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buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 6^th, 2010 at 9:41pm:

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Nuclear power is clean - Andrei Hicks

SOLAR power is "clean"

WIND power is "clean"

ANY power source that produces waste with a half life of around 100,000 years cannot be defined as "clean"

'Below ground' is not an infinate resource as a dump for nuclear waste - as we discovered 'above ground' with carbon waste

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #226 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:08pm Re-post - I grew up within short ride of Hinkley Point, Oldbury and Berkeley. Emissions free, accident-free, clean power for our region. Get out of the dark ages and use nuclear like the rest of us.
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #227 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:10pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7^th, 2010 at 11:57am:

If nuclear power is sooooo bad - please would anyone care to explain why my hometown had 3 major nuclear power plants within 30 miles which have operated for decades without the slightest hint of an accident?

No one is saying that nuclear power plants are bad, just that some are just being anti-nuclear with no logic.
Nuclear is cheaper and cleaner (apart from coal) so that defeats their complaints.
And the infrastructure for nuclear $2billion is easily cheaper than solar and wind

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #228 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:11pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:08pm:

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I grew up within short ride of Hinkley Point, Oldbury and Berkeley.

Emissions free, accident-free, clean power for our region.

Get out of the dark ages and use nuclear like the rest of us.

Do you have the information on where the decades of nuclear waste was being dumped - or did the brochure tell you there WAS none ?

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #229 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:13pm "I grew up within short ride of Hinkley Point, Oldbury and Berkeley." And look at how YOU turned out - case closed. (Couldn't resist)
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #230 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:14pm "And the infrastructure for nuclear $2billion" Ignorant repitition doesn't make it true.
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #231 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:16pm

Bordered by the Bridgwater Bay National Nature Reserve, Hinkley Point power station encompasses some eight different wildlife habitats and a surprising diversity of wildlife species.

A nature trail is usually open daily, 9am until 4pm. The nature trail should take around 45 minutes to walk. A complete circuit of the site via the public footpaths would take approximately one and a half to two hours. Click on the following links to download our guide to the nature trail and map of the nature trail walk.

http://www.british-energy.com/pagetemplate.php?pid=486

Don't let people fool you into thinking everything is radioactive and its like Chernobyl.
These power plants are just like any other.

Well regulated and part of the community.

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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #232 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:16pm And the $2billion for a nuclear power plant has been proved with the link. Lot better than the unlinked higher costs. Wonder which tree they plucked their figure from.
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #234 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:19pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:16pm:

Bordered by the Bridgwater Bay National Nature Reserve, Hinkley Point power station encompasses some eight different wildlife habitats and a surprising diversity of wildlife species.

A nature trail is usually open daily, 9am until 4pm. The nature trail should take around 45 minutes to walk. A complete circuit of the site via the public footpaths would take approximately one and a half to two hours. Click on the following links to download our guide to the nature trail and map of the nature trail walk.

http://www.british-energy.com/pagetemplate.php?pid=486

Don't let people fool you into thinking everything is radioactive and its like Chernobyl.
These power plants are just like any other.

Well regulated and part of the community.

It is amazing that they are pushing for an NBN because the rest of the world has fast internet speed.
And yet they do not want what the rest of the world has with energy.

There are over 440 nuclear power plants currently operating in the world, and another 60 under construction.

Australia has to catch up with the 21st century.
http://www.euronuclear.org/info/encyclopedia/n/nuclear-power-plant-world-wide.htm

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #235 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:20pm

The relatively low levels of radiation experienced at our nuclear stations is further illustrated by the fact that on a one hour tour, a visitor receives a dose of less than a tenth of a millionth of a Sievert, but on a one hour visit to a typical show cave in the UK the dose is about 600 times higher! Guides in show caves may get as much as 15mSv per year –higher than the maximum dose allowed for any British Energy radiation worker (10mSv/Year).

The UK population’s average annual radiation exposure from all the activities of the nuclear industry is less than 0.1% of the total dose received. If all the UK nuclear plants were closed down, it would clearly have a negligible effect on our radiation dose.

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #236 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:20pm "And the $2billion for a nuclear power plant has been proved with the link." In China. FFS, have you got any logic at all, or is it all just partisan ranting?
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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #237 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:22pm Not sure what it is that you are failing to understand, but a nuclear power plant costs $2billion. Pretty straight forward.
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #238 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:22pm

Currently, all spent fuel from Hinkley Point is taken to the British Nuclear Fuels plant at Sellafield for 'reprocessing'. This process extracts any unused uranium and the plutonium formed during fission in the reactor.

Fuel is considered spent after about five years, when it is no longer capable of efficient fission due to the partial loss of fissile material and the build up of impurities such as fission products and actinides. In some respects the word 'spent' is inappropriate, as there is still a significant uranium 235 content.

Since the fuel continues to change once removed from the reactor, due to radioactive decay it is stored for a further four years before reprocessing. This reduces the amount of fission products which have to be dealt with by waste processing.

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #239 - Dec 7^th, 2010 at 12:30pm "but a nuclear power plant costs $2billion." How much do they cost in the USA? Or in Finland, where one is under construction? Or in France? Or Japan?
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