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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #15 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:28am But not away from water. Which part of the east coast would you nominate?
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #16 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:32am Let me guess - Botany Bay - NSW's dumping ground for unwanted industries.
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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #17 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:33am I thought a poll was in order - you may choose several options. Edited: Correction: PLEASE choose multiple options!
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #18 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:35am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:13am:

Please delete wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 7:53am:

I love this call - let's have a debate about having a debate.

OK, I'll start - where is a specific proposal for one of the NPPs?

68% or so of Australians don't want one in their back yards - so there's a question to be answered.

What technology, and where, and who is going to build it?

No one ever wants ANYTHING in their backyard so thats nothing special. no development or infrastructure EVER gets local support. And in australia here is PLENTY of space so that it is not close to anyone.

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well they dont want dams either do they... so now they find out they will be drinking water contaminated by sewage thanks to the desalination plants..give me a dam any day..

as for the dingaling that thinks 3 people make a policy...lol..

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Reply #19 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:38am

Please delete wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:28am:

But not away from water.

Which part of the east coast would you nominate?

ernie you are always flat chat asking the Libs... read the op again its LABOR that is changing its tune......ask THEM where they propose to build??.. then ask the Libs do they agree..

you keep forgetting whos calling the shots here...for the moment.

balls in your side of the court.

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Reply #20 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:44am

mantra wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 7:46am:

Nuclear power legislation will be blocked - and so it should be. The cost of one station will equal that of the NBN and it will be 15 years before it's up and running.

That is the crux of it!

Nukes are an unnecessarily costly and risky option...

BTW, I wonder how many right whingers have noted the proviso that Nukes will not be viable unless and until there is a price on carbon...

I say we need a referendum - one which combines the issues of carbon pricing and nukes...

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #21 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:45am Cods, I'm debating - isn't that the pro NPP lobby wants? A debate? And my question was directed to longweekend, so what is your problem?
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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #22 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:48am Hmmnnn....it seems that the 2 who support Nukes 100% chose not to select whose backyard they would put them in...
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Reply #23 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:48am

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:44am:

mantra wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 7:46am:

Nuclear power legislation will be blocked - and so it should be. The cost of one station will equal that of the NBN and it will be 15 years before it's up and running.

That is the crux of it!

Nukes are an unnecessarily costly and risky option...

BTW, I wonder how many right whingers have noted the proviso that Nukes will not be viable unless and until there is a price on carbon...

I say we need a referendum - one which combines the issues of carbon pricing and nukes...

That's an interesting idea Equit,....
Considering most referendums are single issue Yes/No questions, how would you word it???

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #24 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:49am Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:48am: Hmmnnn....it seems that the 2 who support Nukes 100% chose not to select whose backyard they would put them in... it's a one choice poll Equit...
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Reply #25 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:51am

Please delete wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:45am:

Cods, I'm debating - isn't that the pro NPP lobby wants? A debate?

And my question was directed to longweekend, so what is your problem?

really!!! you ask questions usually from the wrong people. or side...

let me ask you a question where do the Labs that are talking about this... planning on sites?..I mean when you go down this road thats the first thing isnt it?

how do you expect longy to know the answers??.. he isnt a pollie or is he..he has an opinion just like the rest of us..he happens to think its a good idea. doesnt mean he has all the answers as well..

these govt plans..... should have the answers dont you think... maybe GETUP has them...or wikileaks..

but maybe like the NBN we will find out when its all a done deal!

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Reply #26 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:53am

Hey, the Libs reckon we need a costs-benefits analysis on the NBN - so: -

How does one do a costs-benefits analysis on Nukes!?

One thing's for sure: the costs are so high that insurance actuaries won't touch it with a barge pole...

No premium loading is big enough to warrant underwriting a nuke plant - nor for insuring the property and people located in the regional neighbourhood of a nuke plant...

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Reply #27 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:54am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:49am:

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:48am:

Hmmnnn....it seems that the 2 who support Nukes 100% chose not to select whose backyard they would put them in...

it's a one choice poll Equit...

Nah - it's my poll and I set it up to include multiple options (I chose 4 options)!

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Reply #29 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:56am

Hmmnnn....it seems that the 2 who support Nukes 100% chose not to select whose backyard they would put them in...

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you make me laugh nem.. for the most part when a lib says anything on here you dont want to hear you call them liars.. or at least say they are not telling the full truth...lol..

but you believe unbelivable polls..lol..

whats a Darwin Award??...you have got me there.. not that I would vote anyway I dont do polls.

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Question: NUCLEAR POLL (choose ALL options that apply): -
I support Nuclear Power in OZ 100% I support a Nuke plant in MY backyard I support a Nuke plant in YOUR backyard I'm not sure if I support Nukes in OZ Nukes will cause mass Darwin Awards Nukes: a short term solution & long term problem No way, no Nukes for OZ - never! The LibLabs must stop sabotaging renewables « Last Modified by: Equitist on: Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:15am »