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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #45 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:58am "You can`t expect anyone to spend millions on feasability studies," So tell me - what do you want? Some sort of blanket permission to build NPPs? What are we debating?? No proposal, no locations, no technology, no players, nothing.
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Reply #46 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:01am

Please delete wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:58am:

"You can`t expect anyone to spend millions on feasability studies,"

So tell me - what do you want? Some sort of blanket permission to build NPPs?

What are we debating?? No proposal, no locations, no technology, no players, nothing.

The truly pathetic thing is that we are still debating on whether or not to have a debate on the topic! There has been NO hysteria-free debate on nuclear energy in australia. it is totally emissions free and the technology is available now. it at least deserves serious consideration.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #47 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:01am

Hinkley Point A, B and now C.
Oldbury

Three separate power plants that were within 20 miles of where I grew up.

Not a single accident.
Not a single damaging leak.

What do they provide?

Emissions free power.

Such a problem?

Australia here suffers from insularity and ignorance on the nuclear issue. They seem to think a Chernobyl will happen every year.

That's like not getting on a plane from Melbourne to Sydney because of what happened to the Air France flight.

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Reply #48 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:02am

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:55am:

Please delete wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:29am:

"Anyone who believes in AGW would at least consider nuke. It not they`re hypocrites. "

I just puzzle over this "let's have a debate" garbage, as if someone is denying someone else their chance to speak.

I still haven't heard one corporation propose a plant - not one - it's all just talk by non players.

Personally, I worry about the opportunity cost of spending $300B or so on Nuclear.

Ernie, you obviously don`t understand standard operational proceedures. You can`t expect anyone to spend millions on feasability studies, etc. for no reason other than your own entertainment.

WTF!?

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #49 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:03am "The truly pathetic thing is that we are still debating on whether or not to have a debate on the topic! There has been NO hysteria-free debate on nuclear energy in australia. " Can you explain lonweekend? What is the debate that you want? What about?
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Reply #50 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:04am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:01am:

Hinkley Point A, B and now C.
Oldbury

Three separate power plants that were within 20 miles of where I grew up.

Not a single accident.
Not a single damaging leak.

What do they provide?

Emissions free power.

Such a problem?

Australia here suffers from insularity and ignorance on the nuclear issue. They seem to think a Chernobyl will happen every year.

That's like not getting on a plane from Melbourne to Sydney because of what happened to the Air France flight.

So, you would be happy for your offspring to be devoured in that Nuclear triangle today!?

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Reply #51 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:07am

Please delete wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:58am:

"You can`t expect anyone to spend millions on feasability studies,"

So tell me - what do you want? Some sort of blanket permission to build NPPs?

What are we debating?? No proposal, no locations, no technology, no players, nothing.

You can`t be serious.
Do you really mean to tell us you STILL don`t get it?
Aren`t you embarrassed?
I`m actually embarrassed for you, so you should be embarrassed.
Alright, I`ll explain it.

All ideas, policies, proposals, projects etc. begin with discussion. We know how tardies think everything is just automatically done for them, but it does actually take work. You see, it`s like this, picture ancient Rome for example. Do you really think a company of exceptionally nice Romans got together and just built the Colosseum, and then said to the people, "well, do you like it?".

We all know that tardies think milk just happens to get into milk containers by itself, and that cornflakes just grow in those cardboard boxes, but that`s not how it works.

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Reply #52 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:10am

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:02am:

aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:55am:

Please delete wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:29am:

"Anyone who believes in AGW would at least consider nuke. It not they`re hypocrites. "

I just puzzle over this "let's have a debate" garbage, as if someone is denying someone else their chance to speak.

I still haven't heard one corporation propose a plant - not one - it's all just talk by non players.

Personally, I worry about the opportunity cost of spending $300B or so on Nuclear.

Ernie, you obviously don`t understand standard operational proceedures. You can`t expect anyone to spend millions on feasability studies, etc. for no reason other than your own entertainment.

WTF!?

Oh no, another one. I can`t think of a simpler way to explain it. Shocked

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Reply #53 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:11am

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:01am:

Hinkley Point A, B and now C.
Oldbury

Three separate power plants that were within 20 miles of where I grew up.

Not a single accident.
Not a single damaging leak.

What do they provide?

Emissions free power.

Such a problem?

Australia here suffers from insularity and ignorance on the nuclear issue. They seem to think a Chernobyl will happen every year.

That's like not getting on a plane from Melbourne to Sydney because of what happened to the Air France flight.

So, you would be happy for your offspring to be devoured in that Nuclear triangle today!?

oh nooooooooo.. not the old PANIC BUTTON again..

andrei has a point nem are you boycotting Qantas after the engine falling off..lol..

dont you know more people die in bed.

you believe mankind can change the climate......OK....

so why dont you believe mankind can make a foolproof nuclear power station...safe for everyone... come on its all in the science after all..

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Reply #54 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:12am

May the debate continue - and may the LibLabs wedge themselves firmly at odds with the broader electorate...

I'm happy for a referendum on nukes - as long as a price on carbon is a precursor and that the nuke question is phrased such that pro-nuclear electors must also agree for a nuclear plant to be located near them...

Heck, I reckon that the votes should be tagged by electorate - such that those seats with the highest pro-nuclear vote must by default accept a plant to be located at the centre of those electorates...

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Reply #55 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:12am

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:01am:

Hinkley Point A, B and now C.
Oldbury

Three separate power plants that were within 20 miles of where I grew up.

Not a single accident.
Not a single damaging leak.

What do they provide?

Emissions free power.

Such a problem?

Australia here suffers from insularity and ignorance on the nuclear issue. They seem to think a Chernobyl will happen every year.

That's like not getting on a plane from Melbourne to Sydney because of what happened to the Air France flight.

So, you would be happy for your offspring to be devoured in that Nuclear triangle today!?

I would be happy for my daughters to grow up where I did and have no concerns that those power plants provide anything other than emissions free power.

Indeed, right now in California, we live probably not that far from one.

Scare tactics have over-shadowed the debate for too long down in Australia.

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Reply #56 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:19am

codswal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:11am:

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:01am:

Hinkley Point A, B and now C.
Oldbury

Three separate power plants that were within 20 miles of where I grew up.

Not a single accident.
Not a single damaging leak.

What do they provide?

Emissions free power.

Such a problem?

Australia here suffers from insularity and ignorance on the nuclear issue. They seem to think a Chernobyl will happen every year.

That's like not getting on a plane from Melbourne to Sydney because of what happened to the Air France flight.

So, you would be happy for your offspring to be devoured in that Nuclear triangle today!?

oh nooooooooo.. not the old PANIC BUTTON again..

andrei has a point nem are you boycotting Qantas after the engine falling off..lol..

dont you know more people die in bed.

you believe mankind can change the climate......OK....

so why dont you believe mankind can make a foolproof nuclear power station...safe for everyone... come on its all in the science after all..

Speaking of beds, a cousin of mine died in her own bedroom - because she tripped over a mat and hit her head on a chest of drawers...

Sadly, my father (an OH&S Officer), had previously warned about the dangerous placement of mats in that household - because he had had the unfortunate experience of losing 2 workmates whom had died at work in similar circumstances...

The sister-in-law of an acquaintance died in her lounge room from death by mat near coffee table...

The son-in-law of another acquaintance died in his stationwagon from death by briefcase - apparently, he had a bad habit of speeding up to traffic lights and stopping suddenly...

You see: accidents happen - and nukes are definitely not worth the risk!

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Reply #57 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:24am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:12am:

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:01am:

Hinkley Point A, B and now C.
Oldbury

Three separate power plants that were within 20 miles of where I grew up.

Not a single accident.
Not a single damaging leak.

What do they provide?

Emissions free power.

Such a problem?

Australia here suffers from insularity and ignorance on the nuclear issue. They seem to think a Chernobyl will happen every year.

That's like not getting on a plane from Melbourne to Sydney because of what happened to the Air France flight.

So, you would be happy for your offspring to be devoured in that Nuclear triangle today!?

I would be happy for my daughters to grow up where I did and have no concerns that those power plants provide anything other than emissions free power.

Indeed, right now in California, we live probably not that far from one.

Scare tactics have over-shadowed the debate for too long down in Australia.

I am not using scare tactics: I genuinely fear the uncontrollable energy of nukes - and I don't trust my fellow human beings to design and operate a sufficiently fool-proof and fail-safe system...

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Reply #58 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:24am

Please delete wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:03am:

"The truly pathetic thing is that we are still debating on whether or not to have a debate on the topic! There has been NO hysteria-free debate on nuclear energy in australia. "

Can you explain lonweekend? What is the debate that you want? What about?

A serious debate without the hysteria. fact filled and with genuine opinions expressed AND permitted. we have never got anywhere near there. all we end up with is equitist-style paranoia and exaggeration.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #59 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:27am

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:12am:

May the debate continue - and may the LibLabs wedge themselves firmly at odds with the broader electorate...

I'm happy for a referendum on nukes - as long as a price on carbon is a precursor and that the nuke question is phrased such that pro-nuclear electors must also agree for a nuclear plant to be located near them...

Heck, I reckon that the votes should be tagged by electorate - such that those seats with the highest pro-nuclear vote must by default accept a plant to be located at the centre of those electorates...

and how about the nuclear rejecting electorates being forced to accept a coal power station in their electorate OR be denied electricty at all?

Fair to you?

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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