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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #60 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:28am

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:24am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:12am:

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:01am:

Hinkley Point A, B and now C.
Oldbury

Three separate power plants that were within 20 miles of where I grew up.

Not a single accident.
Not a single damaging leak.

What do they provide?

Emissions free power.

Such a problem?

Australia here suffers from insularity and ignorance on the nuclear issue. They seem to think a Chernobyl will happen every year.

That's like not getting on a plane from Melbourne to Sydney because of what happened to the Air France flight.

So, you would be happy for your offspring to be devoured in that Nuclear triangle today!?

I would be happy for my daughters to grow up where I did and have no concerns that those power plants provide anything other than emissions free power.

Indeed, right now in California, we live probably not that far from one.

Scare tactics have over-shadowed the debate for too long down in Australia.

I am not using scare tactics: I genuinely fear the uncontrollable energy of nukes - and I don't trust my fellow human beings to design and operate a sufficiently fool-proof and fail-safe system...

all you have is uncontrollable FEAR. period. hardly the basis for rational discussion.

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #61 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:28am

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:48am:

viewpoint wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:41am:

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I, for one, hope that the next Nuclear meltdown occurs sooner rather than later - and in close proximity to a large population - cos inter/national complacency has become rampant...

You need help!

Clearly, humanity has become so complacent about the inherently grave risks, that only a devastating reality check will put a stop to the reckless proliferation of nuke facilities...

The A380 aircraft engines were widely accepted as safe and reliable - until the recent wake-up call when one of them blew up and then it was found that several of them were ticking time-bombs...

The sooner another major nuclear accident occurs, the sooner the proliferation will stop - and ultimately fewer lives and livelihoods will be put at unnecessary risk...

Besides, what do you care, since you think I am wrong to be concerned about the risks of nukes!?

Alas, time will vindicate one of us - I remain hopeful that it won't be me...

Anybody who can think in those terms needs to be committed to a secure facility where they can be kept away from sane people!

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #62 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:29am Longweekend, again I ask - about what? What is the question? "Shall we have x number of NPPs in Australia"? Sans any other detail? I don't get it. Maybe I'm missing one thing - is there legislation preventing the state govt approval of a NPP?
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #63 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:30am "A serious debate without the hysteria. fact filled and with genuine opinions expressed AND permitted." Again - who is denying anyone the right to speak on this matter?
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #64 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:34am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:28am:

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I am not using scare tactics: I genuinely fear the uncontrollable energy of nukes - and I don't trust my fellow human beings to design and operate a sufficiently fool-proof and fail-safe system...

all you have is uncontrollable FEAR. period. hardly the basis for rational discussion.

Says one who is in irrational denial over the inherent risks posed by nukes...

viewpoint wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:28am:

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Clearly, humanity has become so complacent about the inherently grave risks, that only a devastating reality check will put a stop to the reckless proliferation of nuke facilities...

The A380 aircraft engines were widely accepted as safe and reliable - until the recent wake-up call when one of them blew up and then it was found that several of them were ticking time-bombs...

The sooner another major nuclear accident occurs, the sooner the proliferation will stop - and ultimately fewer lives and livelihoods will be put at unnecessary risk...

Besides, what do you care, since you think I am wrong to be concerned about the risks of nukes!?

Alas, time will vindicate one of us - I remain hopeful that it won't be me...

Anybody who can think in those terms needs to be committed to a secure facility where they can be kept away from sane people!

Says another who is in irrational denial over the inherent risks posed by nukes...

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #65 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:35am

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:19am:

codswal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:11am:

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:04am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:01am:

Hinkley Point A, B and now C.
Oldbury

Three separate power plants that were within 20 miles of where I grew up.

Not a single accident.
Not a single damaging leak.

What do they provide?

Emissions free power.

Such a problem?

Australia here suffers from insularity and ignorance on the nuclear issue. They seem to think a Chernobyl will happen every year.

That's like not getting on a plane from Melbourne to Sydney because of what happened to the Air France flight.

So, you would be happy for your offspring to be devoured in that Nuclear triangle today!?

oh nooooooooo.. not the old PANIC BUTTON again..

andrei has a point nem are you boycotting Qantas after the engine falling off..lol..

dont you know more people die in bed.

you believe mankind can change the climate......OK....

so why dont you believe mankind can make a foolproof nuclear power station...safe for everyone... come on its all in the science after all..

Speaking of beds, a cousin of mine died in her own bedroom - because she tripped over a mat and hit her head on a chest of drawers...

Sadly, my father (an OH&S Officer), had previously warned about the dangerous placement of mats in that household - because he had had the unfortunate experience of losing 2 workmates whom had died at work in similar circumstances...

The sister-in-law of an acquaintance died in her lounge room from death by mat near coffee table...

The son-in-law of another acquaintance died in his stationwagon from death by briefcase - apparently, he had a bad habit of speeding up to traffic lights and stopping suddenly...

You see: accidents happen - and nukes are definitely not worth the risk!

LOL nem with a history like that I think you are more to be avoided than any nuclear plant...sorry but you could be the jinx... hahahaha.. oh lighten up nem try thinking on the positive side for a change all that negativity makes wrinkles.....

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #66 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:38am

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:27am:

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:12am:

May the debate continue - and may the LibLabs wedge themselves firmly at odds with the broader electorate...

I'm happy for a referendum on nukes - as long as a price on carbon is a precursor and that the nuke question is phrased such that pro-nuclear electors must also agree for a nuclear plant to be located near them...

Heck, I reckon that the votes should be tagged by electorate - such that those seats with the highest pro-nuclear vote must by default accept a plant to be located at the centre of those electorates...

and how about the nuclear rejecting electorates being forced to accept a coal power station in their electorate OR be denied electricty at all?

Fair to you?

LOL...it's not a question of coal or nukes - and you know it!

Renewables (and responsible consumption) are the long-term answers - and the sooner we that we make the paradigm shift towards renewables (and sustainability) the better...

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #67 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:42am

codswal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:35am:

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You see: accidents happen - and nukes are definitely not worth the risk!

LOL nem with a history like that I think you are more to be avoided than any nuclear plant...sorry but you could be the jinx... hahahaha.. oh lighten up nem try thinking on the positive side for a change all that negativity makes wrinkles.....

Yer, well...I have felt somewhat jinxed...that Murphy is always travelling with me...

So, I guess that rules out a nuke plant for my neighbours too!

Now, there's just the small matter of those 3 nearby coal-fired power plants and Murphy's antics to contend with...

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #69 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:49am

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:47am:

OK, Ernie...I've been ruled out of the debate for being too irrational and paranoid - so, I'll leave it to you to deal with the pro-nukes...

If being irrational rules people out of debates, I am not sure you'd ever be allowed to open your mouth.

Hysteria, irrationality, ardent socialism, left wing nutjob is pretty much your mode du jour.

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #70 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:54am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:49am:

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:47am:

OK, Ernie...I've been ruled out of the debate for being too irrational and paranoid - so, I'll leave it to you to deal with the pro-nukes...

If being irrational rules people out of debates, I am not sure you'd ever be allowed to open your mouth.

Hysteria, irrationality, ardent socialism, left wing nutjob is pretty much your mode du jour.

Awww shucks - from you, Android, I'll take that as a compliment...

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #71 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:56am I think possibly the worst thing in all that is to be labelled a Socialist. That's one of the most offensive labels someone could have nowadays in my book.
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power Reply #72 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:56am "I'll leave it to you to deal with the pro-nukes..." Hmmm .... if any of them would attempt to answer my questions without broad, sweeping, paranoid sounding statements, I might make some progress. They seem to want a "debate", without really saying what that entails.
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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #73 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:02am

How about the fact we have enjoyed emissions free power in the UK and USA for decades without incident?

How about Australia being one of the worst polluters per capita in the world may actually be related to the fact you don't have any nuclear power plants?

How about the fact the Green lobby and assorted nutcases jump on the bandwagon of unfortunate accidents in third world conditions to state this will obviously happen?

The USSR was a banana republic in all but name with their funding in the late 1980s - if you don't keep up the controls then accidents will happen.

The answer to that?
Don't have any power-plants at all?

So planes crash. Is the answer to ban aeroplanes?

Or how about having regulations? Shocking huh....

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