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Reply #75 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:04am
 
Australia seems to be lagging behind the rest of the world.


The United States has by far the most nuclear power plants, with more than one hundred currently in operation. All told, nuclear power in the United States accounts for just over 20% of the country’s energy needs. A large push is being made by some factions to ramp up the number of nuclear power plants in the country, hoping to add another thirty plants in the coming years, to wean the nation off of a dependence on foreign oil.

Both France and Japan have more than fifty nuclear power plants each in their countries, France with fifty-nine and Japan with fifty-five. France is one of only a handful of nations to produce the majority of its energy using nuclear power, and meets some 77% of its needs that way, the largest percentage of any nation in the world. Japan covers roughly 30% of its energy needs through nuclear power.

Russia has thirty-one nuclear power plants in its country, producing just over 15% of its total energy needs. After a period of relative stagnation in nuclear power development, following the catastrophic meltdown at Chernobyl, Russia has undertaken plans to grow its nuclear power generation immensely. Sixteen new plants are either currently being built or have been ordered, while another nineteen have been proposed, making it one of the most ambitious growth projects currently underway.

Only a handful of other nations have more than fifteen nuclear power plants, many of them countries which built their plants years ago. Germany produces roughly a quarter of their energy through their seventeen nuclear power plants, but they are currently decommissioning them and moving to other energy production methods. The Ukraine has fifteen power plants, responsible for roughly half of their energy needs, and are planning on adding another thirteen plants by the year 2030. Canada, India, the United Kingdom, and South Korea also each have more than fifteen power plants, with both India and South Korea planning on growing that number substantially in the future.

Only four countries aside from France generate more than half of their energy through nuclear power. Sweden’s ten plants account for just over 50% of their energy, Belgium’s seven make up 54% of their energy, although they are considering decommissioning them, Slovakia’s six plants generate just over 50% of their energy, and Lithuania’s single nuclear power plant meets 64% of their energy needs.

A number of countries have undertaken ambitious programs to grow their nuclear power generation enormously in the coming years. Both Brazil and China are at the forefront of this movement. With only two current nuclear power plants, Brazil generates very little of their energy through nuclear power, but they have plans to build another fifty plants soon. China has the most ambitious growth program, aiming to add another hundred nuclear power plants to their existing ten, which would cover roughly a fifth of their energy needs, and make them the top producer of nuclear power in the world.


http://www.wisegeek.com/which-countries-have-nuclear-power.htm

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Re: ALP flip flop on Nuclear Power
Reply #76 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:04am
 

Please delete wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 10:56am:
"I'll leave it to you to deal with the pro-nukes..."

Hmmm .... if any of them would attempt to answer my questions without broad, sweeping, paranoid sounding statements, I might make some progress.

They seem to want a "debate", without really saying what that entails.


I know: they want a thorough costs-benefits analysis on nukes - and they won't support any nuclear legislation until they've got one!?
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Reply #77 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:06am
 
"I know: they want a thorough costs-benefits analysis on nukes - and they won't support any nuclear legislation until they've got one!?"

Lol.
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Reply #78 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:07am
 


nichy wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:04am:
Australia seems to be lagging behind the rest of the world.


The United States has by far the most nuclear power plants, with more than one hundred currently in operation. All told, nuclear power in the United States accounts for just over 20% of the country’s energy needs. A large push is being made by some factions to ramp up the number of nuclear power plants in the country, hoping to add another thirty plants in the coming years, to wean the nation off of a dependence on foreign oil.

Both France and Japan have more than fifty nuclear power plants each in their countries, France with fifty-nine and Japan with fifty-five. France is one of only a handful of nations to produce the majority of its energy using nuclear power, and meets some 77% of its needs that way, the largest percentage of any nation in the world. Japan covers roughly 30% of its energy needs through nuclear power.

Russia has thirty-one nuclear power plants in its country, producing just over 15% of its total energy needs. After a period of relative stagnation in nuclear power development, following the catastrophic meltdown at Chernobyl, Russia has undertaken plans to grow its nuclear power generation immensely. Sixteen new plants are either currently being built or have been ordered, while another nineteen have been proposed, making it one of the most ambitious growth projects currently underway.

Only a handful of other nations have more than fifteen nuclear power plants, many of them countries which built their plants years ago. Germany produces roughly a quarter of their energy through their seventeen nuclear power plants, but they are currently decommissioning them and moving to other energy production methods. The Ukraine has fifteen power plants, responsible for roughly half of their energy needs, and are planning on adding another thirteen plants by the year 2030. Canada, India, the United Kingdom, and South Korea also each have more than fifteen power plants, with both India and South Korea planning on growing that number substantially in the future.

Only four countries aside from France generate more than half of their energy through nuclear power. Sweden’s ten plants account for just over 50% of their energy, Belgium’s seven make up 54% of their energy, although they are considering decommissioning them, Slovakia’s six plants generate just over 50% of their energy, and Lithuania’s single nuclear power plant meets 64% of their energy needs.

A number of countries have undertaken ambitious programs to grow their nuclear power generation enormously in the coming years. Both Brazil and China are at the forefront of this movement. With only two current nuclear power plants, Brazil generates very little of their energy through nuclear power, but they have plans to build another fifty plants soon. China has the most ambitious growth program, aiming to add another hundred nuclear power plants to their existing ten, which would cover roughly a fifth of their energy needs, and make them the top producer of nuclear power in the world.


http://www.wisegeek.com/which-countries-have-nuclear-power.htm




Hmmnnn....why is Germany decommissioning their nuke plants?

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Reply #79 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:21am
 
Equitist wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 10:34am:
longweekend58 wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 10:28am:
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I am not using scare tactics:  I genuinely fear the uncontrollable energy of nukes - and I don't trust my fellow human beings to design and operate a sufficiently fool-proof and fail-safe system...



all you have is uncontrollable FEAR. period. hardly the basis for rational discussion.


Says one who is in irrational denial over the inherent risks posed by nukes...


viewpoint wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 10:28am:
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Clearly, humanity has become so complacent about the inherently grave risks, that only a devastating reality check will put a stop to the reckless proliferation of nuke facilities...

The A380 aircraft engines were widely accepted as safe and reliable - until the recent wake-up call when one of them blew up and then it was found that several of them were ticking time-bombs...

The sooner another major nuclear accident occurs, the sooner the proliferation will stop - and ultimately fewer lives and livelihoods will be put at unnecessary risk...

Besides, what do you care, since you think I am wrong to be concerned about the risks of nukes!?

Alas, time will vindicate one of us - I remain hopeful that it won't be me...



Anybody who can think in those terms needs to be committed to a secure facility where they can be kept away from sane people!



Says another who is in irrational denial over the inherent risks posed by nukes...



Quick question Equit...
WHEN was the last nuclear reactor accident that injured a civilian????
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Reply #80 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:28am
 

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:21am:
Quick question Equit...
WHEN was the last nuclear reactor accident that injured a civilian????


More to the point: -

WHEN was the last disclosed nuclear reactor accident that injured a civilian????

WHEN and WHERE will be the next nuclear reactor accident that injures a civilian????

Feeling lucky????

Hint: most people buy lottery and lotto tickets on worse odds of winning the big one - KABOOM!!!!

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Reply #81 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:34am
 
Equitist wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:28am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:21am:
Quick question Equit...
WHEN was the last nuclear reactor accident that injured a civilian????


More to the point: -

WHEN was the last disclosed nuclear reactor accident that injured a civilian????

WHEN and WHERE will be the next nuclear reactor accident that injures a civilian????

Feeling lucky????

Hint: most people buy lottery and lotto tickets on worse odds of winning the big one - KABOOM!!!!



How can we hace debate when this kind of fear mongering goes on.

I'd put money on it more people have died from backyard swimming pools in a year than nuclear power related deaths
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Reply #82 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:36am
 
Equitist wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:28am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:21am:
Quick question Equit...
WHEN was the last nuclear reactor accident that injured a civilian????


More to the point: -

WHEN was the last disclosed nuclear reactor accident that injured a civilian????

WHEN and WHERE will be the next nuclear reactor accident that injures a civilian????

Feeling lucky????

Hint: most people buy lottery and lotto tickets on worse odds of winning the big one - KABOOM!!!!



Sim-cities and other (otherwise marvellous) action games aside, what's the mechanism for Kaboom? I know of none.
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Reply #83 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:39am
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/461446.stm

"Japan is facing an unprecedented nuclear emergency after a major uranium leak.

Radiation levels at the Tokaimura nuclear fuel-processing plant in north-east Japan are 15,000 times higher than normal.


The authorities have warned thousands of residents near the site of the accident to stay indoors and to wash off any rain that falls on them."

"Three workers from the plant have been taken to hospital and hundreds have been forced to leave their homes.



One of the three workers in hospital is reported to be in a serious condition, suffering from continuous vomiting."



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0810-02.htm

"Japan's worst accident at a nuclear power plant has shaken public confidence in the industry's safety record with activists blaming the country's lax nuclear regulations for the mishap that killed four and injured seven others at the plant west of the capital.

''The lives of the workers could have been saved if proper checks were carried out on the plant. The accident has revealed a blatant disregard for protecting people from nuclear power accidents,'' Kazue Suzuki, a nuclear power expert at Greenpeace Japan, told IPS.

The accident occurred on Monday after super-heated steam leaked through a hole in a pipe that feeds steam in the turbine facility of the Mihama Nuclear Power Plant, the second reactor among three operated in Fukui Prefecture, 300 kilometers west of Tokyo."
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Reply #84 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:40am
 
mantra wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 7:46am:
Labor will have to move quickly - there's a new senate in July next year.

Nuclear power legislation will be blocked - and so it should be. The cost of one station will equal that of the NBN and it will be 15 years before it's up and running.



You think it will be built with public money?

If it's going to be government run, I'll change my vote.
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Reply #85 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:41am
 
"How can we hace debate when this kind of fear mongering goes on."

Now YOU want to censor people?

There is nothing stopping debate on this issue in Australia.

And, as I keep saying, we would all be better off if someone on the PRO side came up with an actual proposal.

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Reply #86 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:43am
 
darkhall67 wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:39am:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/461446.stm

"Japan is facing an unprecedented nuclear emergency after a major uranium leak.


11 years ago? How many thousands of people have died as a result of coal fired power stations since that one fatality?
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Reply #87 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:44am
 
Please delete wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:41am:
"How can we hace debate when this kind of fear mongering goes on."

Now YOU want to censor people?

There is nothing stopping debate on this issue in Australia.

And, as I keep saying, we would all be better off if someone on the PRO side came up with an actual proposal.



How about thy show some proof on these allegations first.

Those kinds of allegations is like saying "all cops are crooks".  Its baseless.
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Reply #88 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:45am
 
The second one was in 2004
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Reply #89 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:46am
 
The second one was in 2004
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