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Re: something different to talk about
Reply #15 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:22am

Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:08am:

As for sexual deviance.....paedophiles, homosexuals, lesbians, bisexuals, transvestites, people who look at and have child pornography and people who perform sexual acts on animals.

So most neo-nazi's would be shown the door then? Sounds fair enough. I mean everybody knows that the SS were Hitler's bitches.

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Reply #16 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:50am

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In your view, are dress-ups, role play and/or oral and anal sex betwixt heterosexuals acts of sexual deviance - or are they unworthy of execution...or corporal punishment!?

Dress ups, oral sex, anal sex between straight people is perfectly fine.

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What about phone sex?

Technically that isn't sex.

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What about sexting?

No

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What about prostitution?

Oh please, I'm not wanting to turn Australia into a Muslim country.

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What about the use of feathers and/or electric devices in the bedroom?

I refer you to my last comment.

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Hey, would you be rewarding or punishing heterosexual sado-masochism by withholding execution or corporal punishment!?

A nationalist government would have other things to deal with like the economy rather than what people did to themselves (straight people that is).

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darkhall67 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1935	Re: something different to talk about Reply #17 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:54am "Oh please, I'm not wanting to turn Australia into a Muslim country." "I admire the Asian and Arab countries for the laws on drugs, rape, murder and sexual deviancy" seems like you are.
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Aussie Skinhead Senior Member Offline Reichsfuhrer der Deutsche Reich Posts: 391 Queensland Australia Gender:	Re: something different to talk about Reply #18 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:04pm darkhall67 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:54am: seems like you are. I admire them and I do want to copy them toa certain extent but I don't want Australia to be completely like them.
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darkhall67 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1935	Re: something different to talk about Reply #19 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:13pm Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:04pm: darkhall67 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:54am: seems like you are. I admire them and I do want to copy them toa certain extent but I don't want Australia to be completely like them. So YOU want to do the picking and choosing do you?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: something different to talk about Reply #20 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:40pm muso wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:22am: I mean everybody knows that the SS were Hitler's bitches. Ooohh... that's a bit too gangsta for a boffin, no?
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Reply #21 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:44pm

codswal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:30am:

Equitist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:19am:

I, for one, find this resurgence of top-down racism deeply disturbing!

dont you also find it deeply distubing that foreign nationals come into a country and disrespect the countries rules/laws.some even with racist intent.

most drug dealers and importers are of foreign extract..I dont call that respect for race or culture.

Actually I'd just classify that as 'criminal behaviour' or GREED.....doesn't really mean disrespect for race/culture....

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Reply #22 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:47pm

codswal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:02am:

SWITZERLAND endorsed a far-right push to automatically expel foreign residents convicted of certain crimes.
The move has dismayed critics who described it as a "dark day for human rights."

Some 52.9 per cent of those who voted were in favour, while 47.1 per cent were against, with the country's German-speaking majority largely backing the proposal.

Only six out of 26 cantons rejected it.

The move came exactly a year after Switzerland shocked the world by agreeing to ban the construction of new minarets, which was another proposal backed by the far-right Swiss People's Party (SVP).

As with their campaign against minarets, the SVP had launched an aggressive campaign to push forward their proposal for the expulsion of foreign criminals, saying that those guilty of certain crimes should be stripped of their right to remain in the country.

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Its signature poster illustrates a white sheep kicking a black sheep out of the Swiss flag.

Another poster depicts a gangster-like man with the slogan "Ivan S., rapist, and soon a Swiss?"

"It's very simple: we think that people we welcome in Switzerland should respect the rules of this country," Fabrice Moscheni, president of the SVP in canton Vaud, said.

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well they do have a point. its all about respect I believe.

Cods, I think if you check, you'll find the same or similar laws re:foreign nationals/crime/explusion already apply in Australia...

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Reply #23 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:48pm

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Forget the "racist" label - this guy is an "extremist"!

Besides the execution of drug-peddlers (though I'll admit I don't really care about their lives very much) I didn't see much to disagree with in his statement. Extremist is meaningless when employed to denigrate a point of view; modern day liberalism is essentially the product of an extremism that would have been laughed at seventy years ago. Liberals have done nothing but be extreme and sow discord.

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Reply #24 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:57pm

I would be in favour of a new and extra step to be added to our "Citizenship" process, whereby migrants wishing to be granted Australian cizenship would first be granted "Probationary" citizenship, not unlike we have for Driver's Licenses.

This Probationary system would require applicants to sign a contract, agreeing to not challenge deportation back to their country of origin, if they are found guilty of a major crime, like Drug Trafficking, Rape, Murder, Serious Assault, etc.
This would have the effect of ensuring that would be citizens were actively committing themselves to respecting the laws of our country, and were fully aware of the consequences of not doing so.

During the probationary period they would have all the normal rights, and obligations of citizenship, but also have the knowledge that these could be taken from them if they showed they did not deserve to keep it.

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Re: something different to talk about
Reply #25 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 1:02pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:47pm:

[=1291158160/0#0 date=1291158159]SWITZERLAND endorsed a far-right push to automatically expel foreign residents convicted of certain crimes.
The move has dismayed critics who described it as a "dark day for human rights."

Some 52.9 per cent of those who voted were in favour, while 47.1 per cent were against, with the country's German-speaking majority largely backing the proposal.

Only six out of 26 cantons rejected it.

The move came exactly a year after Switzerland shocked the world by agreeing to ban the construction of new minarets, which was another proposal backed by the far-right Swiss People's Party (SVP).

As with their campaign against minarets, the SVP had launched an aggressive campaign to push forward their proposal for the expulsion of foreign criminals, saying that those guilty of certain crimes should be stripped of their right to remain in the country.

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Related CoverageSwiss could get tough on foreigners Herald Sun, 2 days ago
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Australia right to ban envoy: Israel paper The Australian, 26 May 2010
It didn't help Brown and it won't help Rudd The Australian, 25 May 2010
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Its signature poster illustrates a white sheep kicking a black sheep out of the Swiss flag.

Another poster depicts a gangster-like man with the slogan "Ivan S., rapist, and soon a Swiss?"

"It's very simple: we think that people we welcome in Switzerland should respect the rules of this country," Fabrice Moscheni, president of the SVP in canton Vaud, said.

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well they do have a point. its all about respect I believe.

Cods, I think if you check, you'll find the same or similar laws re:foreign nationals/crime/explusion already apply in Australia... [/quote]

it isnt mandatory though is it.. they can fight it.. like the American has just done.. and we have to make all sort of investigations to see they are treated right.. even though they abused their rights and ours in our own country.

auctually I wasnt really referring to Australia in particular. on this.

when someone does get deported the bleeding hearts seem to come from somewhere and spend thousands of our dollars to give them more rights than seems fair sometimes.

If someone here gets thrown off their land or out of their house for probably non payments.. they dont come out of the woodwork to save them do they?..yet crims are given all sorts of legal help.in case we get it wrong or get accused of racism

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Reply #26 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:17pm

mozzaok wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:57pm:

I would be in favour of a new and extra step to be added to our "Citizenship" process, whereby migrants wishing to be granted Australian cizenship would first be granted "Probationary" citizenship, not unlike we have for Driver's Licenses.

This Probationary system would require applicants to sign a contract, agreeing to not challenge deportation back to their country of origin, if they are found guilty of a major crime, like Drug Trafficking, Rape, Murder, Serious Assault, etc.
This would have the effect of ensuring that would be citizens were actively committing themselves to respecting the laws of our country, and were fully aware of the consequences of not doing so.

During the probationary period they would have all the normal rights, and obligations of citizenship, but also have the knowledge that these could be taken from them if they showed they did not deserve to keep it.

Australian citizenship as a suspended sentence - hmm...

I think it'd be better to increase the waiting period (to at least 7 years) and increse the eligibility requirements: tax paying track record, English and no criminal conviction.
No family re-union for non-citizens. Swiss-style deportation of convicted non-citizens.

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Reply #27 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:21pm

codswal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 1:02pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 12:47pm:

[=1291158160/0#0 date=1291158159]SWITZERLAND endorsed a far-right push to automatically expel foreign residents convicted of certain crimes.
The move has dismayed critics who described it as a "dark day for human rights."

Some 52.9 per cent of those who voted were in favour, while 47.1 per cent were against, with the country's German-speaking majority largely backing the proposal.

Only six out of 26 cantons rejected it.

The move came exactly a year after Switzerland shocked the world by agreeing to ban the construction of new minarets, which was another proposal backed by the far-right Swiss People's Party (SVP).

As with their campaign against minarets, the SVP had launched an aggressive campaign to push forward their proposal for the expulsion of foreign criminals, saying that those guilty of certain crimes should be stripped of their right to remain in the country.

Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar.
Related CoverageSwiss could get tough on foreigners Herald Sun, 2 days ago
Swiss split on tough rules for foreigners The Australian, 2 days ago
Fiji insults us Herald Sun, 13 Jul 2010
Australia right to ban envoy: Israel paper The Australian, 26 May 2010
It didn't help Brown and it won't help Rudd The Australian, 25 May 2010
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Its signature poster illustrates a white sheep kicking a black sheep out of the Swiss flag.

Another poster depicts a gangster-like man with the slogan "Ivan S., rapist, and soon a Swiss?"

"It's very simple: we think that people we welcome in Switzerland should respect the rules of this country," Fabrice Moscheni, president of the SVP in canton Vaud, said.

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well they do have a point. its all about respect I believe.

Cods, I think if you check, you'll find the same or similar laws re:foreign nationals/crime/explusion already apply in Australia...

it isnt mandatory though is it.. they can fight it.. like the American has just done.. and we have to make all sort of investigations to see they are treated right.. even though they abused their rights and ours in our own country.

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The American guy didn't 'fight' it...Australia wouldn't send him back if he was going to face the Death Penalty...

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Re: something different to talk about
Reply #28 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:26pm

darkhall67 wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:54am:

"Oh please, I'm not wanting to turn Australia into a Muslim country."

"I admire the Asian and Arab countries for the laws on drugs, rape, murder and sexual deviancy"

seems like you are.

Rape and murder deserve long prison terms.

What I do in the privacy of my bedroom is no-one's
goddam business but mine.

As is whether or not I choose to use drugs.

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Jaykaye_09 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 583 Gender:	Re: something different to talk about Reply #29 - Dec 2^nd, 2010 at 1:42am codswal wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:30am: most drug dealers and importers are of foreign extract..I dont call that respect for race or culture. Is that so
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