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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #1035 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:01pm buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 5:25pm: [size=14]I will be paying what i am DEEMED to pay under the legislation ZILCH So please explain why you criticised me for paying the amount of tax that 'i was DEEMED to pay under tax legislation'???? Hmmmmmmmmm?
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Reply #1036 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:12pm

Baillieu's Fundraiser Busted

February 18, 2011

PREMIER Ted Baillieu has been forced into an embarrassing turnaround, pulling rank on his ministers and ordering them not to attend fundraising events.
Mr Baillieu has banned ministers from attending so-called cash-for-access events until a new code of conduct was complete, after revelations in Thursday's Herald Sun that the Liberals were charging $1500 a head for a two-hour briefing with Planning Minister Matthew Guy and Transport Minister Terry Mulder.

The event is being hosted by Deloitte, the accounting firm reviewing the troubled myki ticketing system for Mr Mulder.

Mr Baillieu, who had constantly criticised the previous Labor government for similar events, yesterday put a stop to the gathering.

Opposition Leader Daniel Andrews said it was deeply concerning Deloitte was bankrolling the fundraiser while reviewing myki.

"The Liberal Party in opposition had a lot to say about these things; now, while they are in government ... they are the hypocrites we always knew them to be," he said.

Mr Baillieu said Tuesday's meeting of the Liberal's 500 Club at the exclusive Carousel function centre had not been a fundraiser.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/ted-baillieu-bans-mps-from-fundraisers...

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Reply #1037 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:20pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 5:25pm:

I will be paying what i am DEEMED to pay under the legislation

ZILCH

So please explain why you criticised me for paying the amount of tax that 'i was DEEMED to pay under tax legislation'????

Hmmmmmmmmm?

Siphoning your income earnt in Australia - to a Channel Islands' tax "haven" - is a loophole in this country that is long overdue in closure

Though it be LEGAL - it his highly IMMORAL

from one who has the audacity to call themself an "Australian"

As is ANYONE who would admit to being a share holder in

MONSANTO

?

Did your grandparents have shares in

German gas companies

the Nazi regime ?

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Reply #1038 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:50pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 5:25pm:

I will be paying what i am DEEMED to pay under the legislation

ZILCH

So please explain why you criticised me for paying the amount of tax that 'i was DEEMED to pay under tax legislation'????

Hmmmmmmmmm?

Siphoning your income earnt in Australia - to a Channel Islands' tax "haven" - is a loophole in this country that is long overdue in closure

Though it be LEGAL - it his highly IMMORAL

from one who has the audacity to call themself an "Australian"

As is ANYONE who would admit to being a share holder in

MONSANTO

?

Did your grandparents have shares in

German gas companies

the Nazi regime ?

WRONG, WRONG AND ERRR WRONG.

The tax I paid in Guernsey was based on a salary paid to me IN GUERNSEY and related to the proportion of my role designated as 'not intrinsically tied solely to Australian based activities' (signed off by the ATO).

Therefore I never syphooned off a penny, because these funds paid by a US employer into an account in Guernsey - never officially went anywhere near Australia.

ANYWAY -

Your situation and mine are actually different.
I PAID INTO Australia and when I didn't contribute I wouldn't have the nerve to tell others to pay more.

YOU on the other hand, contribute nothing to Australia, you demand others do more. I mean you think we should pay more for energy, knowing you won't, you think we should not be giving out a baby bonus - knowing you deliberately chose a lifestyle that doesn't allow you a family - and now you are telling us all to 'find some room in our familiy budgets for the levy' - and then openly laugh you will pay nothing.

You are, quite frankly, an embarrassment to Australia and much less one than I.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #1039 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:51pm And I am fine with shares in Monsanto. I also have shares in ExxonMobil, BP, Bluescope Steel, Rio Tinto and BHP. Its called diversification of the portfolio. If they weren't a well run company they'd fold mate. You really have no idea do you.
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Reply #1040 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:58pm

Quote:

The tax I paid in Guernsey was based on a salary paid to me IN GUERNSEY and related to the proportion of my role designated as 'not intrinsically tied solely to Australian based activities' (signed off by the ATO).

What a crock of

SPIN

[size=1

6]Where was your desk ?

Guernsey, Jersey or Melbourne ?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #1041 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 7:14pm I paid tax on the Australian activities. I earned $35,000 per annum for the work I did related to my Australian tasks and paid tax on that. My desk location is neither here nor there. Bizarrely enough, as much as you criticise, i paid MORE THAN YOU.
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Reply #1042 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 7:16pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:51pm:

And I am fine with shares in Monsanto.

I also have shares in ExxonMobil, BP, Bluescope Steel, Rio Tinto and BHP.

Its called diversification of the portfolio. If they weren't a well run company they'd fold mate.

You really have no idea do you.

No, I settled on a sense of MORALITY (look it up)
That's why MY investment dollar went with http://www.hepburnwind.com.au/

As opposed to ---

When Prince Charles claimed thousands of Indian farmers were killing themselves after using GM crops, he was branded a scaremonger. In fact, as this chilling dispatch reveals, it's even WORSE than he feared.

Shankara, like millions of other Indian farmers, had been promised previously unheard of harvests and income if he switched from farming with traditional seeds to planting GM seeds instead.

Beguiled by the promise of future riches, Shankara borrowed money in order to buy the GM seeds. But when the harvests failed, he was left with spiralling debts - and no income.

Shankara became one of an estimated 125,000 farmers to take their own life as a result of the ruthless drive to use India as a testing ground for genetically modified crops

.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1082559/The-GM-genocide-Thousa...

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Reply #1043 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 7:29pm

ON THE day before the state election, the Liberal Party revealed the costings of its election promises. The $240 million extra that private schools were going to receive would come from budget ''savings''.

There was no time to analyse these figures or to question what these savings actually were. We now know that all of it will come from the state education budget (''Education facing big cuts'', The Age, 7/2), which is to be cut even more, by $338 million, over the next four years. These Kennett-sized cuts will not be made by getting cheaper paper clips and pencils for public servants.

By a few hundred votes, Victorians voted out the most competent government in Australia, which had managed not only to rebuild the state's infrastructure (hospitals, schools and railways) after decades of neglect but to do so with a budget surplus as well. This government has reverted to form with cuts to public services (transport projects are being ''re-scoped'', a euphemism for ''cancelled'' from a government that promised an end to spin) followed by a redirection of money to those who need it least.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/letters/taking-from-those-who-need-it-most-201...

The Victorian Association of State Secondary Principals said the cuts were particularly galling given the Coalition would increase funding to non-government schools by $240 million over the next four years, starting from the beginning of the 2011 school year.

''I can't understand why more money is going to the private sector when we have so many government schools that need to be brought up to scratch,'' said president Frank Sal.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/education-facing-big-cuts-warns-opposition-201...

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Reply #1044 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 7:32pm

Exhibit A: -

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 7:14pm:

I paid tax on the Australian activities.

I earned $35,000 per annum for the work I did related to my Australian tasks and paid tax on that.

My desk location is neither here nor there.

Bizarrely enough, as much as you criticise, i paid MORE THAN YOU.

This is the perfect illustration, as to why we need to change our tax laws to close the loopholes that amoral domestic and international parasites currently exploit with impunity...

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Reply #1045 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 7:38pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:50pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:20pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 5:25pm:

I will be paying what i am DEEMED to pay under the legislation

ZILCH

So please explain why you criticised me for paying the amount of tax that 'i was DEEMED to pay under tax legislation'????

Hmmmmmmmmm?

Siphoning your income earnt in Australia - to a Channel Islands' tax "haven" - is a loophole in this country that is long overdue in closure

Though it be LEGAL - it his highly IMMORAL

from one who has the audacity to call themself an "Australian"

As is ANYONE who would admit to being a share holder in

MONSANTO

?

Did your grandparents have shares in

German gas companies

the Nazi regime ?

WRONG, WRONG AND ERRR WRONG.

About your tax scam - or your grandparents ?

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Reply #1046 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 10:10pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 5:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 5:04pm:

By the way Buzz you STILL haven't answered.

You declared the flood levy to be only a small amount of budget and affordable.

Please tell us how much you will be paying (seeing as you see it as so small)??

Many thanks.

I will be paying what i am DEEMED to pay under the legislation

ZILCH

I am a self funded
I am semi-retired
I earn WELL under $50K pa

How much SHOULD I pay ?
How much should a PENSIONER - who earns less than I - pay ?

Since you have repeatedly claimed that the levy amount is insignificant, how much will you be contributing on a voluntary basis.

You cant claim that by law you dont need to pay so you wont, then you call Andre immoral for using the law to his advantage.

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Reply #1047 - Feb 19^th, 2011 at 10:38pm

Verge wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 10:10pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 5:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 5:04pm:

By the way Buzz you STILL haven't answered.

You declared the flood levy to be only a small amount of budget and affordable.

Please tell us how much you will be paying (seeing as you see it as so small)??

Many thanks.

I will be paying what i am DEEMED to pay under the legislation

ZILCH

I am a self funded
I am semi-retired
I earn WELL under $50K pa

How much SHOULD I pay ?
How much should a PENSIONER - who earns less than I - pay ?

Since you have repeatedly claimed that the levy amount is insignificant, how much will you be contributing on a voluntary basis.

That's about as lame as the "how many refugees live in your house" arguement

I HAVE donated to the flood appeal
As I did the bushfire appeal
I regularly support the local CFA, Hepburn Wildlife Rescue and local state primary school street stalls and raffles (something I'll have to do more often, with the upcoming cuts to public education)

It's how we do it in small communities

I have also been a financial member of the Humane Society for 30 years

It's NOT about money
I wouldnt MISS 20 cents a day

The Federal Government have deemed me "poor enough" to be excused from this tax, tiny though it be

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Reply #1048 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 6:09am

Farmers in Victoria's flood-ravaged north-west say they could be off their farms for up to a year, with houses at Benjeroop, Murrabit and Kerang East still under water.

The farming communities believe they were sacrificed to save Swan Hill from flooding and say they have been abandoned by the State Government.

The deep and putrid waters of the inland sea between Kerang and Swan Hill have not receded, leaving lives in limbo.

"We're living in a caravan with my two boys, $260 a week for a piece of dirt," Murrabit resident Shane Dwyer said

Today the farmers were heading to Kerang for a meeting with authorities, where they hoped to win approval to block levees.

At the meeting farmers were warned not to get too emotional, but it is not easy for Steve Hawkins whose farm has been under for three weeks.

"Look me in the eyes and tell me you'd like to view it first hand," he said.

Farmers were asked to write down ways authorities can fix this situation.

The flood has been dragging on for a month. But Premier Ted Baillieu has yet to visit affected areas and farmers say they feel totally abandoned.

Locals say the bureaucrats have until the end of the weekend to do something positive for them or

any goodwill that is there will be gone

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/02/18/3143022.htm

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Reply #1049 - Feb 20^th, 2011 at 7:26am

Verge wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 10:10pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 5:25pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 19^th, 2011 at 5:04pm:

By the way Buzz you STILL haven't answered.

You declared the flood levy to be only a small amount of budget and affordable.

Please tell us how much you will be paying (seeing as you see it as so small)??

Many thanks.

I will be paying what i am DEEMED to pay under the legislation

ZILCH

I am a self funded
I am semi-retired
I earn WELL under $50K pa

How much SHOULD I pay ?
How much should a PENSIONER - who earns less than I - pay ?

Since you have repeatedly claimed that the levy amount is insignificant, how much will you be contributing on a voluntary basis.

You cant claim that by law you dont need to pay so you wont, then you call Andre immoral for using the law to his advantage.

"Anyone else notice that the people who yell the loudest about how our taxes should be spent are the same ones who pay the least in?"

AA Gill

Is it not immoral to sit back, preach and demand people do more when the same person is not prepared to do the same?

Hypocrisy? Immorality? Or just plain old champagne socialism?

Take your pick.

Either way, he isn't much of an Australian.

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