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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe not ?)
Reply #30 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 9:22pm
 
Oh, Jesus Henry Kissenger Christ !





Did THIS thread melt ?




It was ALL about Ted's plan to sell the Sugarloaf Pipeline and the Wonthaggi desalination plant to private enterprise - and go back to the power of PRAYER to droughtproof Victoria ?


I'm GLAD our dam is FULL








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Reply #31 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 9:49pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 9:19am:
aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 9:12am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 9:02am:
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after all he did fall over to the minority group regarding backburning same as Canberra did yet no one at the top seems to be responsible for anything






NO

Controlled burns are Labor, Liberal, National and Greens policy
They have for a LONG time been a common occurrence across Victoria, under the watch of the CFA and DSE

The ONLY protests come from shire councils, who are billed for a share of the process and private land-owners whose authority is required






Wrong, we still get protests from urban pilgrims who think they know it all.  






WRONG ?

You have JUST confirmed what I stated
The opposition is NOT from government, but from farmers and other private individuals





WRONG, that is totally dishonest, and nothing like i said.
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Reply #32 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 9:56pm
 
All Baillieu needs to do is shut down the ALP spin factory.

Why doesnt anyone have a problem with the fact the Victorian ALP had more spin doctors on the payroll than DOC's case workers.
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Reply #33 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 9:58pm
 
Verge wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 9:56pm:
All Baillieu needs to do is shut down the ALP spin factory.

Why doesnt anyone have a problem with the fact the Victorian ALP had more spin doctors on the payroll than DOC's case workers.


They run on lies, we all know to expect that.
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Reply #34 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 10:35pm
 
Verge wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 9:56pm:
All Baillieu needs to do is shut down the ALP spin factory.

Why doesnt anyone have a problem with the fact the Victorian ALP had more spin doctors on the payroll than DOC's case workers.





We have , in Victoria, a unit called the 'Department of Human Resouces'
It covers EVERYTHING DOCS does - and MORE
And it does a damned fine job of it
DOCS' (NSW) problems are ENTIRELY structural - and have been for my lifetime




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Reply #35 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 10:54pm
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 10:35pm:
Verge wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 9:56pm:
All Baillieu needs to do is shut down the ALP spin factory.

Why doesnt anyone have a problem with the fact the Victorian ALP had more spin doctors on the payroll than DOC's case workers.





We have , in Victoria, a unit called the 'Department of Human Resouces'
It covers EVERYTHING DOCS does - and MORE
And it does a damned fine job of it
DOCS' (NSW) problems are ENTIRELY structural - and have been for my lifetime






But Brumby still had more spin doctors on the payroll than DOC's caseworkers.

Case workers under pressure and under resourced and Brumby saying there is nothing more they can do, but he could employ the spin doctors to make him look good.
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THE Victorian Government is the spin king of Australia, with more than 700 of the nation's 3000 media advisers working for Premier John Brumby and his team.
The Brumby Government and its agencies are employing hundreds of staff to manage their public perception at a cost to taxpayers of more than $70 million a year, a Sunday Herald Sun investigation has found.

Nationally, Australia's taxpayer-funded spin bill is at least a quarter of a billion dollars a year, employing an army of at least 3000 media advisers to sell government programs.

Victoria's public service is in a spin, with 782 staff employed as media, communications, marketing and public affairs advisers across key government departments and services such as police, ambulance and fire brigades.

Internal Government documents reveal that if the total Victoria Police corporate communications team is included, the total figure is 822.

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There are more publicly-paid spin doctors in Victoria than MICA paramedics, orthopedic surgeons and forensic police.

And the State Opposition argues the number of public sector communications staff is as high as 964.

The Government and its agencies intially put the number at only 72 when asked how many media advisers, directors, assistants, workers and support staff they employed.

The figures do not include sub-contractors, public relations teams and external consultants brought in for specialist projects or spin doctors employed by the state's public transport services.

Mr  Brumby and his ministers have 23 media advisers at their disposal, plus another 46 employees in the Department of Premier and Cabinet charged with promoting the Government, including 12 staff whose sole purpose is media monitoring.

The Department of Industry Innovation and Regional Development has a "Sydney PR manager" and "destination communications manager" as well as a strategic communications manager, online communications manager, adviser, information officer and communication manager.

The Department of Health, including the much-maligned former Department of Human Services, has a media unit with five spin doctors, but a total communications staff of 111.

And the Department of Primary Industries employs Melbourne communications staff in roles "to be confirmed" and "yet to be defined" as well as a "media and issues analysis adviser", "corporate reputation" department and web writers.

Opposition scrutiny of government spokesman David Davis said the time and money invested in spin should be put to better use solving the state's health, public transport and public order problems.

"This is incredible, the size of John Brumby's propaganda unit is the largest anyone has ever heard of," he said.

"John Brumby is so arrogant he has built the biggest propaganda unit outside of North Korea.

"The Opposition have four media advisers, John Brumby has almost 1000."

There are at least 650 people employed as public affairs officers across the main federal public service departments and hundreds more are employed in dozens of smaller agencies, according to answers received directly from departments and responses to Senate committee inquiries during the last term of government.

A further 44 ministerial media advisers headline the Gillard Government's spin effort.

The NSW Government admitted to employing 156 spin doctors.

Queensland had 350 department media advisers and 51 ministerial advisers, WA had 265 in total, SA had 228 and Tasmania had 123 in 2008.

A handful of federal government departments were willing to reveal how much they spent on spin, but an Opposition estimate, based on figures released to the Senate over an 18-month period from 2008, put the cost at more than $50 million a year.

Overall, the bill across the states, territories and Federal Government totals at least $250 million a year.

The average salary for public relations and communications personnel in Melbourne is $75,623, but with sweeteners such as superannuation, payroll tax, long service leave, workcover and recreational leave, the average Government wage for the role is estimated at $90,000.

The Department of Justice last week advertised a "communications, marketing and media" role in the newly-formed Office of the Fire Services Commissioner with a salary range of $93,740 to $125,443.

Documents obtained by the Sunday Herald Sun through Freedom of Information show five casual media interns hired by the "Government and corporate group" between January 28, 2008 and June last year cost $203,165.

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Reply #37 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 6:37am
 
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VICTORIAN premier elect Ted Baillieu's promise to implement all of the Bushfire Royal Commission's recommendations has raised questions about how the most costly and controversial proposals would be carried out.

The outgoing Brumby government had rejected the recommendations to put power lines underground and buyout properties in the riskiest bushfire areas.

But Mr Baillieu has always maintained a coalition government would tackle both these proposals, a position he reiterated today.

Former premier John Brumby rejected the commission's buyout recommendation, saying it could actually increase fire risk by leaving some homes surrounded by empty overgrown properties and it would be too costly.

His government also made an extreme estimate, based on every home in 52 at-risk towns, that the scheme would cost $20 billion.



http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/baillieus-costly-bushfire-promise/story-e6f...



No surprise, HERE, when THIS one is buried
It was an uncosted, never to be implimented, vote grabber from day one


Where did Victorians think the populations of these country towns would MOVE to ?

Melbourne real estate is ALREADY listed as one of the worlds most unaffordable

And what of local economies ?

This no-brainer would kill many a country town, even if only a third took up the offer

Is Ted prepared to see the likes of Marysville and Kinglake wiped of the map AGAIN - this time economically - having just rebuilt ?



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Reply #38 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 7:49am
 
Verge wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 10:57pm:
THE Victorian Government is the spin king of Australia, with more than 700 of the nation's 3000 media advisers working for Premier John Brumby and his team.
The Brumby Government and its agencies are employing hundreds of staff to manage their public perception at a cost to taxpayers of more than $70 million a year, a Sunday Herald Sun investigation has found.

Nationally, Australia's taxpayer-funded spin bill is at least a quarter of a billion dollars a year, employing an army of at least 3000 media advisers to sell government programs.

Victoria's public service is in a spin, with 782 staff employed as media, communications, marketing and public affairs advisers across key government departments and services such as police, ambulance and fire brigades.

Internal Government documents reveal that if the total Victoria Police corporate communications team is included, the total figure is 822.

Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar.
Related CoverageEditorial: Time to end the political spin cycle
.End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar.
There are more publicly-paid spin doctors in Victoria than MICA paramedics, orthopedic surgeons and forensic police.

And the State Opposition argues the number of public sector communications staff is as high as 964.

The Government and its agencies intially put the number at only 72 when asked how many media advisers, directors, assistants, workers and support staff they employed.

The figures do not include sub-contractors, public relations teams and external consultants brought in for specialist projects or spin doctors employed by the state's public transport services.

Mr  Brumby and his ministers have 23 media advisers at their disposal, plus another 46 employees in the Department of Premier and Cabinet charged with promoting the Government, including 12 staff whose sole purpose is media monitoring.

The Department of Industry Innovation and Regional Development has a "Sydney PR manager" and "destination communications manager" as well as a strategic communications manager, online communications manager, adviser, information officer and communication manager.

The Department of Health, including the much-maligned former Department of Human Services, has a media unit with five spin doctors, but a total communications staff of 111.

And the Department of Primary Industries employs Melbourne communications staff in roles "to be confirmed" and "yet to be defined" as well as a "media and issues analysis adviser", "corporate reputation" department and web writers.

Opposition scrutiny of government spokesman David Davis said the time and money invested in spin should be put to better use solving the state's health, public transport and public order problems.

"This is incredible, the size of John Brumby's propaganda unit is the largest anyone has ever heard of," he said.

"John Brumby is so arrogant he has built the biggest propaganda unit outside of North Korea.

"The Opposition have four media advisers, John Brumby has almost 1000."

There are at least 650 people employed as public affairs officers across the main federal public service departments and hundreds more are employed in dozens of smaller agencies, according to answers received directly from departments and responses to Senate committee inquiries during the last term of government.

A further 44 ministerial media advisers headline the Gillard Government's spin effort.

The NSW Government admitted to employing 156 spin doctors.

Queensland had 350 department media advisers and 51 ministerial advisers, WA had 265 in total, SA had 228 and Tasmania had 123 in 2008.

A handful of federal government departments were willing to reveal how much they spent on spin, but an Opposition estimate, based on figures released to the Senate over an 18-month period from 2008, put the cost at more than $50 million a year.

Overall, the bill across the states, territories and Federal Government totals at least $250 million a year.

The average salary for public relations and communications personnel in Melbourne is $75,623, but with sweeteners such as superannuation, payroll tax, long service leave, workcover and recreational leave, the average Government wage for the role is estimated at $90,000.

The Department of Justice last week advertised a "communications, marketing and media" role in the newly-formed Office of the Fire Services Commissioner with a salary range of $93,740 to $125,443.

Documents obtained by the Sunday Herald Sun through Freedom of Information show five casual media interns hired by the "Government and corporate group" between January 28, 2008 and June last year cost $203,165.





With Brumby booted out then Victoria will be rejoicing from the drop in excess spending of $70 million.
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Reply #39 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 9:11am
 
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SPENDING $1.5 million to bring golfer Tiger Woods to Melbourne has been described by the Victorian Opposition as a bad investment at a time of mounting unemployment.

Woods, the world's best golfer, is to play at the Australian Masters for $US3 million ($A4.5 million) later this year.

Half his appearance fee is reportedly being paid by the State Government.

Advertisement: Story continues below State Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu said it was hard to believe the public would think paying for Woods to play was a good idea when people were losing their jobs.

"Where is the evidence that $19 million of benefit is going to flow to Victoria because Tiger Woods fronts?" he asked.

"If there's a study detailing all of this, then put it on the table. What's to hide?"

A study by accounting firm Ernest & Young found there would be a $19 million benefit from having major golfers play in the November tournament.

NSW Liberal Opposition Leader Barry O'Farrell backed the Brumby Government, saying Woods would attract visitors from across Australia and the region to Melbourne.

"If this is Tiger Woods' only appearance in Australia … then the $19 million probably looks light on," Mr O'Farrell said on a Sydney radio station.

"Jeff Kennett, Bracks and Brumby have got it right."

http://www.theage.com.au/national/woods-deal-a-bogey-baillieu-20090319-93fq.html








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SPENDING taxpayers' money on Oprah is different from paying Tiger Woods to play golf, Premier Ted Baillieu says.
The new Government says it would welcome billionaire talk-show entertainer Oprah Winfrey to Victoria if she could fit Melbourne in her itinerary.

But Mr Baillieu said while he had no problem with the Oprah deal - which saw government tourism bodies footing part of the bill - he still opposed paying for Tiger Woods at golf tournaments.


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Reply #40 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 9:58am
 
codswal wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 12:03pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:48am:
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■ Deploying armed police on railway stations at night, despite concerns from the head of Metro, Andrew Lezala, that this could result in innocent passengers being shot.






You might want to cast your mind back, Ted, to which government abolished station staff and security watch in the FIST place ?









why cant you accept that what happened by past govts especially those

of 10 years ago.. doesnt always appertain to this day and age.. I would assume Melb has grown a bit since





Yes, it has
SUBSTANTIALY

As has the INCIDENCE of violent crime PROPORTIONALLY - but not the RATE, which has actually DROPPED

The INCIDENT figure tells us just that - the number of police reports which has risen

The RATE figure tells us the number of reports per 100,000 journeys - the statistic that has dropped



In layman's terms, this means your chance of being a "victim" are less than they were a decade ago





I see THIS policy being dropped, eventually, or severly "compromised"
We ALREADY have a "roving force" of some 200 police officers covering the transport network

ONE thing is a cert !

We will NOT see two police officers sitting on their behinds - waiting for something to happen - on every railway station in the country in the forseeable future




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Reply #41 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 10:04am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 5th, 2010 at 9:58am:
codswal wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 12:03pm:
buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:48am:
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■ Deploying armed police on railway stations at night, despite concerns from the head of Metro, Andrew Lezala, that this could result in innocent passengers being shot.






You might want to cast your mind back, Ted, to which government abolished station staff and security watch in the FIST place ?









why cant you accept that what happened by past govts especially those

of 10 years ago.. doesnt always appertain to this day and age.. I would assume Melb has grown a bit since





Yes, it has
SUBSTANTIALY

As has the INCIDENCE of violent crime PROPORTIONALLY - but not the RATE, which has actually DROPPED

The INCIDENT figure tells us just that - the number of police reports which has risen

The RATE figure tells us the number of reports per 100,000 journeys - the statistic that has dropped



In layman's terms, this means your chance of being a "victim" are less than they were a decade ago





I see THIS policy being dropped, eventually, or severly "compromised"
We ALREADY have a "roving force" of some 200 police officers covering the transport network

ONE thing is a cert !

We will NOT see two police officers sitting on their behinds - waiting for something to happen - on every railway station in the country in the forseeable future






That dead right for once   buzzard    it will take 8 months training  FFS

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That dead right for once   buzzard    it will take 8 months training  FFS





They're ALREADY "trained"
They're called Victorian Police officers

Or is he planning a mass recruitment to the force, to have these new recruits to sit it out (literally) at Melbourne metro's 216 rail stations ?




It WON'T happen !


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buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 5th, 2010 at 10:17am:
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That dead right for once   buzzard    it will take 8 months training  FFS





They're ALREADY "trained"
They're called Victorian Police officers

Or is he planning a mass recruitment to the force, to have these new recruits to sit it out (literally) at Melbourne metro's 216 rail stations ?




It WON'T happen !




And you know this how Brumbys mob a 11 years Teds had 2 weeks Back to your caravan

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Reply #44 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 10:57am
 
Nice work Buzz, its been a week.

Think back three years when people said Rudd woulnt deliver and people like yourself used the line "Howard did nothing for 11 years, give them time.

Shoe is on the other foot now.  Enjoy your time on the opposite side.

Just because Brumby lost an unlosable election there is no need for the constant attacks.
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