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Reply #525 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:44am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:28am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:25am:

Verge wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:10am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:09am:

My PARENTS can travel - and often do - travel for free on ANY metro zone on week-ends
And have done so for YEARS

A seniors myki already entitles you to free travel across two consecutive zones on Sundays (ie. Zones 1, 2).

AND Satudays, with a no charge Met ticket

"Any man above the age of 30 who finds himself on public transport can consider himself a failure in life"

Margaret Thatcher, Conservative Conference 1986 - to laughter from the hall.

You might want to re-check that ?

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher#Misquotations

And we are ALL still a little bewildered that you seem under the impression that Australians hold EITHER of the "Alzheimite Twins" with any sense of esteem ?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #526 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:58am Surprise Buzz supports the public sector. Services without paying anything in to run them. Shock. Free-loaders, we've got them everywhere.
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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #527 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 11:39am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:58am:

Surprise Buzz supports the public sector.

Services without paying anything in to run them.

Shock.

Free-loaders, we've got them everywhere.

Are you saying that users of public services (i.e. public transport) are freeloaders who don't put any money into funding the services provided?

If that's the case, I'd have to disagree. I mean, unless you're fare evading you're putting some level of funding into the service. And even if you're not paying for tickets, it's arguable that some proportion of your taxes go to running PT.

In general though, I think PT is essential for a large city like Melbourne. We can't all drive to our respective workplaces due to parking/traffic/money issues, so having a reliable PT system to get people around is invaluable. Sure, there's many issues with our PT, but most of these are a result of increased patronage and indicates that a large proportion of Melbournians want better trains, trams and buses.

And while I'm happy that Baillieu/Brumby announced greater crackdowns on train violence, I think there's a little too much fear about who is on trains. Sure, you get drunks and ratty teens and poor people on board, but you also get business professionals, families, seniors and pretty much every element of Australian society on the system. Maybe I'm just lucky when I travel, but I'd still strongly argue that people refusing to take the train because of the 'deviants' on board are highly misinformed...

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #528 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 11:40am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:25am:

Verge wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:10am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 10:09am:

My PARENTS can travel - and often do - travel for free on ANY metro zone on week-ends
And have done so for YEARS

A seniors myki already entitles you to free travel across two consecutive zones on Sundays (ie. Zones 1, 2).

AND Satudays, with a no charge Met ticket

"Mr Mulder said from January 1, they would be able to travel for free on weekends by using a seniors myki card."

So where is the lie and deception again, because under the myki card you havent been able to.

More deception from Buzz.

Until this thread I used to pretty much take you on your word, but slowly and surely we are unravelling your lies.

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14169 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #529 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 11:57am Quote: ....because under the myki card you havent been able to. You didn't NEED a myki card SHEESH !
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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #530 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 12:48pm buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 11:57am: Quote: ....because under the myki card you havent been able to. You didn't NEED a myki card SHEESH ! But they still have done something the ALP hasnt have they.
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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #531 - Dec 31^st, 2010 at 2:07pm

Verge wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 12:48pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 31^st, 2010 at 11:57am:

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....because under the myki card you havent been able to.

You didn't

NEED

a myki card

SHEESH !

But they still have done something the ALP hasnt have they.

You got THAT right

As I read it, a senior now needs to be a myki card holder to travel free on week-ends
Previously, the "Seniors Card" was sufficient

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Reply #532 - Jan 3^rd, 2011 at 9:59am

Nationwide campaigns targeting speeding drivers appear to have brought results, with a 10 per cent reduction in road deaths last year.
Overall, 1368 people died in road crashes last year, down 139 from 1507 deaths in 2009.

The introduction of covert speed cameras has been credited with helping reduce Queensland's road toll by a quarter to the lowest level since records began in 1952, with 247 deaths last year compared with 331 in 2009.

The introduction of covert speed cameras has been credited with helping reduce Queensland's road toll by a quarter to the lowest level since records began in 1952, with 247 deaths last year compared with 331 in 2009.

Despite booming population growth, Queensland and Victoria are the safest places to be on the roads.

Queensland recorded 18 per cent of the nation's road deaths last year but has 20 per cent of Australia's population.

Victoria has 25 per cent of the population but recorded 21 per cent of national road deaths, with 291 people killed, one up from 2009.

The evidence from Queensland's speed camera changes last year will put pressure on Victoria's new Baillieu government, which made a pre-election pledge to publish daily locations of mobile speed cameras

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/speed-cameras-hailed-as-road-toll-fa...

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #534 - Jan 3^rd, 2011 at 11:24am

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Despite booming population growth, Queensland and Victoria are the safest places to be on the roads.

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Queensland recorded 18 per cent of the nation's road deaths last year but has 20 per cent of Australia's population.

Victoria has 25 per cent of the population but recorded 21 per cent of national road deaths, with 291 people killed, one up from 2009

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And

THERE

are the

FACTS

of the matter

DESPITE the whinging and protestations of lawbreakers, that road fatalities were increasing in Victoria ...

SPEED CAMERAS SAVE LIVES

OPPOSITION Leader Ted Baillieu yesterday vowed to lift a ban on identifying locations of speed cameras if he wins power on Saturday.
The Herald Sun revealed that Victoria Police had declined our request to be provided every day with a list of the following day's mobile speed camera sites for publication.

"A Coalition government will allow the location of the next day's mobile speed cameras to be published in the Herald Sun," Mr Baillieu said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/ted-baillieu-vows-to-lift-ban-o...

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #535 - Jan 3^rd, 2011 at 11:41am

IMAGINE the uproar if almost 300 people died and 6000 were seriously injured in street violence.

No politician would dare suggest greater leniency in applying the law.

Yet these figures represent Victoria's road toll in a year in which a new government came to power suggesting

more leniency for speeding drivers.

During the election campaign, Coalition leader Ted Baillieu said most people thought speed cameras were revenue-raisers. The Coalition attitude was strangely

at odds with its ''zero tolerance'' law-and-order platform.

No encouragement should be given to drivers who somehow feel entitled to bend rules that are in place to protect all road users.
Drivers who resent vigilant policing and speed and red-light cameras should try justifying their attitude to families whose loved ones were killed or maimed because of risky driving.

No one should pander to such populist idiocy.

http://www.watoday.com.au/opinion/editorial/road-carnage-leaves-little-room-for-...

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #536 - Jan 3^rd, 2011 at 11:47am

What is the best form of speed prevention??

Place the cameras in known hot-spots, paint them clearly and have signs denoting their existence?

Or hide behind trees and zap people, leaving them to carry on for a couple of weeks until they get a bill?

Everyone I know in England who has visited me in Victoria still thinks its absurd how stupid the last Labor Government tried to play it as 'speed prevention' - when in fact they were taking $1,000 per second in fines.

And what did they do with these fines?? Put it into speed prevention, for accident prevention? For caring for speed victims?

No it went into "GENERAL REVENUE" - then they crow about their 'budget surplus'.

I had no issue whatsoever in avoiding three speeding fines in Victoria by claiming to be an overseas EU driver. It was a scam anyway.

If it were about accident prevention you would show where the cameras are so people would slow down.

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #537 - Jan 3^rd, 2011 at 11:49am Give Ted Baillieu a fair go...anything has to be an improvement on Adolph Brumby and his media-locked AFL-Police state.
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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #538 - Jan 3^rd, 2011 at 12:36pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2011 at 11:47am:

What is the best form of speed prevention??

Place the cameras in known hot-spots, paint them clearly and have signs denoting their existence?

Why not go the OTHER way ?

How about giant billboards proclaiming ...

NO SPEED CAMERAS - NEXT 50km

And let's also consider a series of "NO SECURITY on this branch today" signs for our bank robbers

The methodolgy is to stop speeding in ALL areas, not just those heralded by a giant yellow beacon

And the way to do this is with a "you could be caught ANYWHERE" approach

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #539 - Jan 3^rd, 2011 at 1:19pm And the reason the speeding fines went into "General Revenue"??? It's a rort, everybody knows it. Hence why I had no issue in claiming to be an EU driver. No points, no fine. If they were genuinely interested in getting the traffic hotspot areas right, I may have taken the hit as a fair cop.
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