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Reply #675 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:38pm

Verge wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:13pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 11:15am:

Quote:

Neither took the direct quote, only sky news report did, so yes, it is still lazy journalism.

And sky news has done the same on the two officers thing. There is nothing from either of them as a direct quote that says that is the policy, and the policy doesnt say two either.

The "quote" may have been reported correctly, by SkyNews - but OBVIOUSLY Ted has dropped the "two" word in the Q&A at the media launch in Geelong, at some point

Fairfax, News Ltd and SkyNews didn't ALL mishear it

Yet they have paraphrased Ted as saying "about two" didnt they?

Paraphrased ?

He either USED the word "TWO" .....

Or he DIDN'T ?

As he was reported as specifying "TWO" - by ALL media represented

- I believe he DID

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Reply #676 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 1:04pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

Verge wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:13pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 11:15am:

Quote:

Neither took the direct quote, only sky news report did, so yes, it is still lazy journalism.

And sky news has done the same on the two officers thing. There is nothing from either of them as a direct quote that says that is the policy, and the policy doesnt say two either.

The "quote" may have been reported correctly, by SkyNews - but OBVIOUSLY Ted has dropped the "two" word in the Q&A at the media launch in Geelong, at some point

Fairfax, News Ltd and SkyNews didn't ALL mishear it

Yet they have paraphrased Ted as saying "about two" didnt they?

Paraphrased ?

He either USED the word "TWO" .....

Or he DIDN'T ?

As he was reported as specifying "TWO" - by ALL media represented

- I believe he DID

But the words were "ABOUT TWO".

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #677 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 1:59pm

scope wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

"This is from RAVC web site. If you are travelling overseas and why would they have one set of rules if you are going overseas and another set if you are coming from oversea to here.

You watch andrei will disappear and won't come back and try to get out of it. "

Hi Jack,
The rules in Aus are slightly different for IDP's,
They are not a requirement when visiting here,you can drive on your own license for a 3 month period (in most states) if you are from an exempt country and/or if your license is in english and/or you have a cetified translation of your license.
simple so far but here is where it gets tricky.
Not all car hire companies will rent a vehicle if you do not have an IDP. Not all insurance companies will insure you if you do not have an IDP
I drive in quite a few countries I do not need an IDP in most, but again there is a requirement by the car rental companies AND Insurance companies to hold a IDP. So it makes life so much easier if you have an IDP.

I have a vehicle overseas I am the registered owner and as I am not a full time resident of that country I am required to hold an IDP for my car insurance to be current.

And your'e right Hicks won't come back because he knows he is wrong. Grin

Where did you get that information? Is it a copy and paste from RACQ? If so do they know how to spell 'licence' 'certified and of course 'you're' mistake.

Hicks did come back so I guess you a re WRONG

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #678 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 2:23pm

ohnoitisnt wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 1:59pm:

scope wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

"This is from RAVC web site. If you are travelling overseas and why would they have one set of rules if you are going overseas and another set if you are coming from oversea to here.

You watch andrei will disappear and won't come back and try to get out of it. "

Hi Jack,
The rules in Aus are slightly different for IDP's,
They are not a requirement when visiting here,you can drive on your own license for a 3 month period (in most states) if you are from an exempt country and/or if your license is in english and/or you have a cetified translation of your license.
simple so far but here is where it gets tricky.
Not all car hire companies will rent a vehicle if you do not have an IDP. Not all insurance companies will insure you if you do not have an IDP
I drive in quite a few countries I do not need an IDP in most, but again there is a requirement by the car rental companies AND Insurance companies to hold a IDP. So it makes life so much easier if you have an IDP.

I have a vehicle overseas I am the registered owner and as I am not a full time resident of that country I am required to hold an IDP for my car insurance to be current.

And your'e right Hicks won't come back because he knows he is wrong. Grin

Where did you get that information? Is it a copy and paste from RACQ? If so do they know how to spell 'licence' 'certified and of course 'you're' mistake.

Hicks did come back so I guess you a re WRONG

Just got to love the irony don't ya.
Got nothing to add to Hick's illegal driving when in Aus but want to pick up on a few typo's,Then you finish with this : re WRONG.
pot kettle black I think Grin

Hicks has offered no proof that he is right and I and others have shown the flaws in his claims.
got anything else to add?

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ohnoitisnt Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 100	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #679 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 2:53pm You didn't answer the question. Is it a copy and paste or is it all your own work?
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ohnoitisnt Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 100	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #680 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 2:56pm Hicks has offered no proof that he is right and I and others have shown the flaws in his claims. got anything else to add? [/quote] The only thing you have shown is your obsession with him. BTW the RACQ is not the law maker.
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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #681 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 3:02pm

Verge wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

Verge wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:13pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 11:15am:

Quote:

Neither took the direct quote, only sky news report did, so yes, it is still lazy journalism.

And sky news has done the same on the two officers thing. There is nothing from either of them as a direct quote that says that is the policy, and the policy doesnt say two either.

The "quote" may have been reported correctly, by SkyNews - but OBVIOUSLY Ted has dropped the "two" word in the Q&A at the media launch in Geelong, at some point

Fairfax, News Ltd and SkyNews didn't ALL mishear it

Yet they have paraphrased Ted as saying "about two" didnt they?

Paraphrased ?

He either USED the word "TWO" .....

Or he DIDN'T ?

As he was reported as specifying "TWO" - by ALL media represented

- I believe he DID

But the words were "ABOUT TWO"

So what is

"ABOUT TWO"

?

Is it

ONE and a half

?
or ...
Is it

TWO and a half

?

Perhaps he should have gone with

"ABOUT ONE"

But

WHATEVER

his answer, he wanted to give every journalist in the room the message he was

THINKING "TWO" ...

(perhaps a *wink*went in here ?)

... per station

And the media passed this

"TWO"

on to the electorate via Melbourne's Herald-Sun, The Age and the SkyNews network

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #682 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 5:51pm

ohnoitisnt wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 2:56pm:

Hicks has offered no proof that he is right and I and others have shown the flaws in his claims.
got anything else to add?

The only thing you have shown is your obsession with him. BTW the RACQ is not the law maker.
[/quote]

Not obsessed with him at all, Just don't like people who openly state that they break the law and laugh about it and claim that they are within there rights to do so.
I have shown (using Hick's own link) that he was an unlicensed driver
so again you are wrong.

As to the RACQ, who made the claim that they made the law? I certainly didn't.
They didn't even get a mention until you butted in trying in vain to save Hick's ass.
care to try again?

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #683 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 7:15pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 3:02pm:

Verge wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

Verge wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:13pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 11:15am:

Quote:

Neither took the direct quote, only sky news report did, so yes, it is still lazy journalism.

And sky news has done the same on the two officers thing. There is nothing from either of them as a direct quote that says that is the policy, and the policy doesnt say two either.

The "quote" may have been reported correctly, by SkyNews - but OBVIOUSLY Ted has dropped the "two" word in the Q&A at the media launch in Geelong, at some point

Fairfax, News Ltd and SkyNews didn't ALL mishear it

Yet they have paraphrased Ted as saying "about two" didnt they?

Paraphrased ?

He either USED the word "TWO" .....

Or he DIDN'T ?

As he was reported as specifying "TWO" - by ALL media represented

- I believe he DID

But the words were "ABOUT TWO"

So what is

"ABOUT TWO"

?

Is it

ONE and a half

?
or ...
Is it

TWO and a half

?

Perhaps he should have gone with

"ABOUT ONE"

But

WHATEVER

his answer, he wanted to give every journalist in the room the message he was

THINKING "TWO" ...

(perhaps a *wink*went in here ?)

... per station

And the media passed this

"TWO"

on to the electorate via Melbourne's Herald-Sun, The Age and the SkyNews network

The same way the said police officers hey.

About two doesnt mean two. It could well mean two on some, two on most?

If I say I will have about two people lined up to help me on a job it means it could be anywhere from 1 to 3.

The words were "about two. It doesnt guareentee two, and at no time was two ever in the policy.

Are you prepared to accept you have this wrong yet, and that Brumby promised 2000 front line police officers yet?

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000]=16]ABOUT TWO DOESNT GUAREENTEE TWO ARE EVERY STATION LIKE YOU HAVE CLAIMED

Mr Baillieu said announcements on the number of trains needed in Victoria would come later, and said ticket prices would not be affected by the pledge for more officers at stations, which would enable about two officers per station.

TALK ABOUT SELECTIVE READING. TRY SOME HONESTY BUZZ, OR DONT YOU LIKE BEING SHOWN UP IN YOUR SMEAR CAMPAIGN.

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #684 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 7:25pm

Brumbys police state has flopped, and now that it has, the dirts coming out in the wash.

Cool

The man was a megalomaniac, I still cant believe he denied knowledge of the MOU between the Police and AFL.

Perhaps, his idea of a 2000 front-line police force was to supplement it with St Kilda's front-rowers, complements of the AFL guard.

Grin

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #685 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 10:24pm

Verge wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 7:15pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 3:02pm:

Verge wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

Verge wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:13pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 11:15am:

Quote:

Neither took the direct quote, only sky news report did, so yes, it is still lazy journalism.

And sky news has done the same on the two officers thing. There is nothing from either of them as a direct quote that says that is the policy, and the policy doesnt say two either.

The "quote" may have been reported correctly, by SkyNews - but OBVIOUSLY Ted has dropped the "two" word in the Q&A at the media launch in Geelong, at some point

Fairfax, News Ltd and SkyNews didn't ALL mishear it

Yet they have paraphrased Ted as saying "about two" didnt they?

Paraphrased ?

He either USED the word "TWO" .....

Or he DIDN'T ?

As he was reported as specifying "TWO" - by ALL media represented

- I believe he DID

But the words were "ABOUT TWO"

So what is

"ABOUT TWO"

?

Is it

ONE and a half

?
or ...
Is it

TWO and a half

?

Perhaps he should have gone with

"ABOUT ONE"

But

WHATEVER

his answer, he wanted to give every journalist in the room the message he was

THINKING "TWO" ...

(perhaps a *wink*went in here ?)

... per station

And the media passed this

"TWO"

on to the electorate via Melbourne's Herald-Sun, The Age and the SkyNews network

The same way the said police officers hey.

About two doesnt mean two. It could well mean two on some, two on most?

If I say I will have about two people lined up to help me on a job it means it could be anywhere from 1 to 3.
The words were "about two. It doesnt guareentee two, and at no time was two ever in the policy.

Well lets say he suggested (when asked for more detail on policy) an

AVERAGE of "TWO"

per station

Of interest ...

Quote:

Labor has promised

1966 extra frontline police

(over a 5 year program) ................and a re-elected Labor government would also employ an extra

100 transit police

and

200 staff to man train station platforms and monitor CCTV

.

In a comprehensive law and order policy, Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu has promised to employ an extra

1600 frontline officers

,

100 transit police

and

940 protective service officers

to man train stations at night.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/8391890/summary-of-parties-vic-election-...

And noteworthy ...

Quote:

Over the life of the Kennett government, police numbers fell by 800.

Notwithstanding that there is debate about the extent of the relationship between police numbers and levels of crime, it proved a deeply unpopular move.

The Police Association campaigned strongly against Kennett and certainly contributed in some measure to his surprise defeat in 1999.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/untouchables-no-more/2007/02/25/1172338465...

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Reply #686 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 10:59pm

Like I said before, give Baillieu a chance.

Brumby had a crack at it, and failed miserably, so lets give Baillieu a chance.

Change wont happen over night, so lets not expect an incoming premier to solve an entire states dilemmas overnight...Gosh, what a daunting prospect.

Given the state of Victoria.

Roll Eyes

Remember, they have been in Labors grips for the last 15 years, so...don't expect miracles in the first month.

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #687 - Jan 7^th, 2011 at 6:23am

mellie wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 10:59pm:

Like I said before, give Baillieu a chance.

Brumby had a crack at it, and failed miserably, so lets give Baillieu a chance.

Change wont happen over night, so lets not expect an incoming premier to solve an entire states dilemmas overnight...Gosh, what a daunting prospect.

Given the state of Victoria.

The "

state of Victoria"

...

Quote:

Victoria leads states in jobs growth

Tim Colebatch
November 12, 2010

VICTORIA has added more jobs over the past four years than any other state, with 278,000 more people in work than at the time of the last state election.

Jobs figures released yesterday by the Bureau of Statistics show that Australia's buoyant jobs growth continued in October, with employers adding almost 30,000 jobs in seasonally adjusted terms.

On the more reliable trend figures used to analyse state data,

Victoria has added 95,000 jobs in the past year, with jobs growing 3.5 per cent in the state, compared with 3.2 per cent growth in the nation.

Over the past four years, the bureau reports that

Victoria has enjoyed the biggest jobs growth in the nation in absolute terms

, and the third fastest growth behind the Northern Territory and Western Australia.

''Victoria is Australia's jobs engine room,'' Treasurer John Lenders declared.

''Not only have we achieved the 150,000 jobs target promised at the last election, we have created 138,000 more jobs than promised and more than any other state.''

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victoria-leads-states-in-jobs-growth-20101111-...

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Reply #688 - Jan 7^th, 2011 at 10:48am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 10:24pm:

Verge wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 7:15pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 3:02pm:

Verge wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

Verge wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:13pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 11:15am:

Quote:

Neither took the direct quote, only sky news report did, so yes, it is still lazy journalism.

And sky news has done the same on the two officers thing. There is nothing from either of them as a direct quote that says that is the policy, and the policy doesnt say two either.

The "quote" may have been reported correctly, by SkyNews - but OBVIOUSLY Ted has dropped the "two" word in the Q&A at the media launch in Geelong, at some point

Fairfax, News Ltd and SkyNews didn't ALL mishear it

Yet they have paraphrased Ted as saying "about two" didnt they?

Paraphrased ?

He either USED the word "TWO" .....

Or he DIDN'T ?

As he was reported as specifying "TWO" - by ALL media represented

- I believe he DID

But the words were "ABOUT TWO"

So what is

"ABOUT TWO"

?

Is it

ONE and a half

?
or ...
Is it

TWO and a half

?

Perhaps he should have gone with

"ABOUT ONE"

But

WHATEVER

his answer, he wanted to give every journalist in the room the message he was

THINKING "TWO" ...

(perhaps a *wink*went in here ?)

... per station

And the media passed this

"TWO"

on to the electorate via Melbourne's Herald-Sun, The Age and the SkyNews network

The same way the said police officers hey.

About two doesnt mean two. It could well mean two on some, two on most?

If I say I will have about two people lined up to help me on a job it means it could be anywhere from 1 to 3.
The words were "about two. It doesnt guareentee two, and at no time was two ever in the policy.

Well lets say he suggested (when asked for more detail on policy) an

AVERAGE of "TWO"

per station

Of interest ...

Quote:

Labor has promised

1966 extra frontline police

(over a 5 year program) ................and a re-elected Labor government would also employ an extra

100 transit police

and

200 staff to man train station platforms and monitor CCTV

.

In a comprehensive law and order policy, Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu has promised to employ an extra

1600 frontline officers

,

100 transit police

and

940 protective service officers

to man train stations at night.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/8391890/summary-of-parties-vic-election-...

And noteworthy ...

Quote:

Over the life of the Kennett government, police numbers fell by 800.

Notwithstanding that there is debate about the extent of the relationship between police numbers and levels of crime, it proved a deeply unpopular move.

The Police Association campaigned strongly against Kennett and certainly contributed in some measure to his surprise defeat in 1999.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/untouchables-no-more/2007/02/25/1172338465...

So you will finally admit its not two for every station.

Oh, and since you havent wont this one, you drag out the Kennett issue. Well done mate. You actually posted something that is correct for once, but its irrelevant.

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