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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #690 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 11:02am
 
I think the point is really that ANY, is better than NONE.

I say we give them a go to implement their policies, they got the mandate to do so, and to nitpick about details before they have the chance to actually show what they can do, is a bit churlish.
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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #691 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 11:15am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 6:23am:
mellie wrote on Jan 6th, 2011 at 10:59pm:
Like I said before, give Baillieu a chance.

Brumby had a crack at it, and failed miserably, so lets give Baillieu a chance.

Change wont happen over night, so lets not expect an incoming premier to solve an entire states dilemmas overnight...Gosh, what a daunting prospect.

Given the state of Victoria.


The "
state of Victoria"
...

Quote:
Victoria leads states in jobs growth

Tim Colebatch
November 12, 2010

VICTORIA has added more jobs over the past four years than any other state, with 278,000 more people in work than at the time of the last state election.

Jobs figures released yesterday by the Bureau of Statistics show that Australia's buoyant jobs growth continued in October, with employers adding almost 30,000 jobs in seasonally adjusted terms.

On the more reliable trend figures used to analyse state data,
Victoria has added 95,000 jobs in the past year, with jobs growing 3.5 per cent in the state, compared with 3.2 per cent growth in the nation.


Over the past four years, the bureau reports that
Victoria has enjoyed the biggest jobs growth in the nation in absolute terms
, and the third fastest growth behind the Northern Territory and Western Australia.

''Victoria is Australia's jobs engine room,'' Treasurer John Lenders declared.
''Not only have we achieved the 150,000 jobs target promised at the last election, we have created 138,000 more jobs than promised and more than any other state.''


http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victoria-leads-states-in-jobs-growth-20101111-...




And look at the state of the economy and its health when Howard was in, and look where that got him in 2007.

So its nice to use job figures, but it means little doesnt it to what the voters perceive as important measures.

What is even more funny was you dragged up the Kennent issue, yet the ALP had 11 years to do something about it didnt they.
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Reply #692 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 11:17am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 10:58am:
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So you will finally admit its not two for every station.  





An AVERAGE of TWO, apparently
It may be NONE on some
It may be four on others

But the decision rests with the Police Commissioner
Not the premier



I thought there policy was Protective Service Officers at every station from 6pm to the last train.  To me, thats at least 1.

Why would you send 2 to every station when some only need 1, and others need more?

So the premier does get to decide on at least one, since he is sending the budget to them for that isnt he.
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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #693 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 12:13pm
 
Verge wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 11:17am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 10:58am:
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So you will finally admit its not two for every station.  





An AVERAGE of TWO, apparently
It may be NONE on some
It may be four on others

But the decision rests with the Police Commissioner
Not the premier



I thought there policy was Protective Service Officers at every station from 6pm to the last train.  To me, thats at least 1.

Why would you send 2 to every station when some only need 1, and others need more?

So the premier does get to decide on at least one, since he is sending the budget to them for that isnt he.





NO
He DOESN'T


The Police Minister
can create the positions - and the Government can budget and pay for them

But their deployment is STILL under the discretion of the
Chief Commissioner, Simon Overland


Baillieu has ALREADY acknowledged this








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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #694 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 12:34pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 11:02am:
I think the point is really that ANY, is better than NONE.

I say we give them a go to implement their policies, they got the mandate to do so, and to nitpick about details before they have the chance to actually show what they can do, is a bit churlish.



This whole thread is totally absurd.

Begin criticising a guy when he just taken office after years on arrogance and incompetence (for which they were kicked out).

It basically shows for reasons known only to himself, Buzz has some burning hatred of the Liberal Party.
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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #695 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 12:38pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 12:34pm:
mozzaok wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 11:02am:
I think the point is really that ANY, is better than NONE.

I say we give them a go to implement their policies, they got the mandate to do so, and to nitpick about details before they have the chance to actually show what they can do, is a bit churlish.



This whole thread is totally absurd.

Begin criticising a guy when he just taken office after years on arrogance and incompetence (for which they were kicked out).

It basically shows for reasons known only to himself, Buzz has some burning hatred of the Liberal Party.


Buzz hates anything normal   Wink
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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #696 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 1:13pm
 
REPOST ...,


buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 5th, 2011 at 2:36pm:
VICTORIAN premier elect Ted Baillieu's promise to implement all of the Bushfire Royal Commission's recommendations has raised
questions about how the most costly and controversial proposals would be carried out.


The outgoing Brumby government had rejected the recommendations to put power lines underground and buyout properties in the riskiest bushfire areas.

But Mr Baillieu has always maintained a coalition government would tackle both these proposals, a position he reiterated today


http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/baillieus-costly-bushfire-promise/story-e6f...


The royal commission had urged the government to start a voluntary buyback of properties in areas with high bushfire risk.

But Mr Brumby said: “If you applied this in some areas it would actually increase fire risk.”

One house could be left surrounded by vacant land, which would increase fire risk for that remaining property, he said.

Such a plan could then impact on property values and insurance costs for those who remain.

The government partly used a potential huge cost of buybacks as justification to dump the plan, estimating that depopulating the 52 most at-risk towns would cost
beyond $20 BILLION, with an annual maintenance bill of $40 million
.


Estimates on a buyback of the
2000 homes lost on Black Saturday tip past $700 million alone.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/john-brumby-to-consider-all-but-one-...




Over HALF the cost of an entire National Broadband Network
- a bill to be "footed" by one state alone ?

How is THIS to be funded ?




Or is this one that Victorians, their children and their grandchildren will be paying off for
"generations to come"
?



And to what end ?



The death of country communities - and many thousands more squeezed into already bursting cities










Any new thoughts on THIS one
?







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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #697 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 1:15pm
 
FRED. wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 12:38pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 12:34pm:
mozzaok wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 11:02am:
I think the point is really that ANY, is better than NONE.

I say we give them a go to implement their policies, they got the mandate to do so, and to nitpick about details before they have the chance to actually show what they can do, is a bit churlish.



This whole thread is totally absurd.

Begin criticising a guy when he just taken office after years on arrogance and incompetence (for which they were kicked out).

It basically shows for reasons known only to himself, Buzz has some burning hatred of the Liberal Party.


Buzz hates anything normal   Wink



Buzz has never explained why he is so anti-Liberal in anything he sees.

This thread - criticising a Government in its infancy having picked up a right old mess from years of poor administration - is pretty much an example of it.

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Reply #698 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 1:17pm
 
And as a working class kid from a hard-working family background - Labor should be my automatic party of choice, hence why I feel no issue in criticising them.

It is they who have left people like my demographic high and dry.
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Reply #699 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 1:22pm
 
"It is they who have left people like my demographic high and dry."

**sob**

A demographic of one.
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Reply #700 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 1:24pm
 
Please delete wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 1:22pm:
"It is they who have left people like my demographic high and dry."

**sob**

A demographic of one.



Sorry working class people who have got off their backsides in life and feel let down by the Labor party runs into the millions not the one.

May explain why they were the first Government to lose a majority after one term in over half a century?!

Demographics - it explains things quite well. Many of us from the same background as me have been let down by the so called working people's party.
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Reply #701 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 1:25pm
 
You are, without doubt, in a demographic all of your own, hicks.
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Reply #702 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 1:34pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 7th, 2011 at 1:15pm:

Buzz has never explained why he is so anti-Liberal in anything he sees.

This thread - criticising a Government in its infancy having picked up a right old mess from years of poor administration - is pretty much an example of it.





I'm ONLY asking how it's all being PAID for ...


Quote:
VICTORIAN premier elect Ted Baillieu's promise to implement all of the Bushfire Royal Commission's recommendations has raised
questions about how the most costly and controversial proposals would be carried out.


The outgoing Brumby government had rejected the recommendations to put power lines underground and buyout properties in the riskiest bushfire areas.

But Mr Baillieu has always maintained a coalition government would tackle both these proposals, a position he reiterated today


http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/baillieus-costly-bushfire-promise/story-e6f...






The royal commission had urged the government to start a voluntary buyback of properties in areas with high bushfire risk.

But Mr Brumby said: “If you applied this in some areas it would actually increase fire risk.”

One house could be left surrounded by vacant land, which would increase fire risk for that remaining property, he said.

Such a plan could then impact on property values and insurance costs for those who remain.

The government partly used a potential huge cost of buybacks as justification to dump the plan, estimating that depopulating the 52 most at-risk towns would cost
beyond $20 BILLION, with an annual maintenance bill of $40 million
.


Estimates on a buyback of the
2000 homes lost on Black Saturday tip past $700 million alone.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/john-brumby-to-consider-all-but-one-...







Over HALF the cost of an entire National Broadband Network
- a bill to be "footed" by one state alone ?

How is THIS to be funded ?




Or is this one that Victorians, their children and their grandchildren will be paying off for
"generations to come"
?



And to what end ?



The death of country communities - and many thousands more squeezed into already bursting cities





... but not getting any feedback







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Reply #703 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 1:37pm
 
Oh buzz,  you are selecting text that suits YOUR agenda -  never mind the fact that My Brumby seemed to think he knows better than the recommendations made by The Bushfire Commission. 



Former premier John Brumby rejected the commission's buyout recommendation, saying it could actually increase fire risk by leaving some homes surrounded by empty overgrown properties and it would be too costly.

His government also made an extreme estimate, based on every home in 52 at-risk towns, that the scheme would cost $20 billion.

During the election campaign, the coalition promised to commit $50 million to kick-start the other recommendation to replace overhead power lines with underground cables.

The former Brumby government had baulked at this proposal, after its consultants estimated it would cost up to $20 billion.


But Department of Primary Industry figures presented to the commission put the cost of placing 28,000km of SWER (single wire earth return) lines underground at a more modest $4.7 billion.


University of New South Wales associate professor of electrical engineering, Trevor Blackburn, said while placing power lines underground had its challenges, it would reduce the risk of bushfires.

Prof Blackburn said underground cables were relatively problem-free in urban areas but started to run into transmission problems when laid over longer distances, such as in regional or rural areas.

But he said the challenges were not insurmountable, just more expensive."I think if you want to prevent those sorts of situations that happened in the bushfires in Victoria ... you've got to pay a bit more money and make the system less prone to these sorts of problems and one way of doing that is just to put them underground."

Prof Blackburn said if faults occurred in underground cables it could be trickier to locate the problem and fix it.

However, he said the underground cables were less likely to experience the same volume of problems plaguing overhead wires, which are affected by wind, breakage, falling objects and lightening strikes.

The commission's final report recommended progressively replacing the SWER and 22,000 volt power lines with underground cables or other technology, prioritising those in high-risk areas in the first decade.

The report's "retreat and resettlement" proposal suggests a voluntary buyout scheme for existing developments in unacceptably high bushfire risk areas.



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Reply #704 - Jan 7th, 2011 at 1:40pm
 
The outgoing Brumby government had rejected the recommendations to put power lines underground and buyout properties in the riskiest bushfire areas.

But Mr Baillieu has always maintained a coalition government would tackle both these proposals, a position he reiterated today.

In relation to the buyout, Mr Baillieu explained a coalition government would look to the bushfire reconstruction authority and local councils to identify areas that would qualify for the scheme.

He said the state had a history of similar "buybacks" which had taken up to 20 years to complete.

"This is a program of identifying land and mutually agreeing that it's in everybody's interests for a buyback to take place," Mr Baillieu told reporters.



Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/baillieus-costly-bushfire-promise/story-e6frfku0-1225963404934#ixzz1AJjViiDy

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