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Reply #735 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 9:54am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 9:46am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 9:43am:

He calls himself a "swinging voter" because he once voted for an independent in a council election

Nope. Wrong again.
That would be a one-off protest vote.

A swinging voter votes for different parties over a period of time.

I have voted 45% of the time for a party other than the Conservatives or Liberal party.

Yep, almost HALF THE TIME.

How about you? Nailed on Labor right???? Grin

I've voted Greens and Labor in ALL houses of Australian parliaments
I'VE also voted for independents in council elections

I guess I'M a "swinging votor" as well

MY grandfather was a sheep and wheat farmer

Why have the National Party lost MY traditional vote ?

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #737 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:08am

But back to

"BaillieuWatch"

RESTAURANTS, cafes and clubs are toasting the Baillieu Government after it unexpectedly slashed their liquor licence fees.
Renewal bills have been halved for 10,500 small businesses and community clubs hit by steep rises under the former Labor government.

The discounts, which will save some clubs more than $800 a year, are the first step in a liquor licensing revamp that will include automatic suspension of licences at problem venues and discounts for pubs and clubs with good records.

Fees for clubs without gaming machines, community clubs, restaurants, cafes, BYO permits and limited temporary and limited renewable licences have all been cut by hundreds of dollars.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/baillieu-to-reward-safe-venues/story-e...

Good policy, generally

But no word on how to make up for

revenue shortfalls

resulting from these cuts ?
Not to mention

cuts to stamp duty

and

speeding fine leniency ?

On top of an INCREASED spending program

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #738 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:18am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 8:51am:

whatsforme wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 8:05am:

I am sure most of the old yahoo people here will remember the rant from buzz re school computers when some posters said Dudd 'promised' a laptop for every student. Buzz went right off saying 'show me where he promised a laptop for every student.

And he never DID

The "laptop" example was referencing a separate policy from the computers in schools program
At a press conference Rudd was holding a laptop up as an example of a range of products parents would be able to claim rebates on as part of their children's education

It was, also, left to the schools and STATE education departments as to the modeling of the 'computers for schools' set-up - though federally funded

But thats

OLD NEWS

Premier John Brumby this week said, "What occurred in the prison was obviously unacceptable, but the person concerned was a serial killer; I think it would be quite unnecessary and an inappropriate use of taxpayers' money to have a royal commission." Royal commissions should be reserved for "the most extraordinary circumstances", he added

But others have said that if Williams's death was not a simple jailhouse spat but rather a more sinister attack on the criminal justice system, then the very fact that it was perpetrated from within the prison system marks this crime as extraordinary.

State Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu has backed Stary's calls for an independent investigation into the drug baron's murder: "It's one thing to not care about Carl Williams, but it's another thing entirely to not care about the integrity of the justice system." Baillieu says. "This is a matter about the integrity of the justice system in this state, and that should be pre-eminent."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/motive-uncertain-in-prison-murder/...

Bailleu backs down on Williams inquest
Thursday, December 9, 2010

Victorian Premier Ted Baillieu is re-considering a an election promise to set up an investigation into the death of crime boss Carl Williams.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/12/09/3089604.htm

HIS WORD WERE

‘‘So I think Victorians are entitled to be concerned and confused about what’s gone on here and if it proves necessary then at least a judicial inquiry will be required,’’ he said today.

There was no promise and you know it, you just cant accept. There has yet to be anything that suggests it is necessary. If you can provide proof that is necessary, then be my guest.

You let Rudd off the hook because he says a computer for every student and holds up a laptop, but you think Ted promised an inquest when his words do not suggest that.

You are fast becoming the king of spin and deception by ommission Buzz.

Where is your proof it was promised.

And you link says nothing, he was non committed to anything. His words were something like Im not going to give a running commentary.

Must suck you cant get this right Buzz.

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #739 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:19am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:08am:

But back to

"BaillieuWatch"

RESTAURANTS, cafes and clubs are toasting the Baillieu Government after it unexpectedly slashed their liquor licence fees.
Renewal bills have been halved for 10,500 small businesses and community clubs hit by steep rises under the former Labor government.

The discounts, which will save some clubs more than $800 a year, are the first step in a liquor licensing revamp that will include automatic suspension of licences at problem venues and discounts for pubs and clubs with good records.

Fees for clubs without gaming machines, community clubs, restaurants, cafes, BYO permits and limited temporary and limited renewable licences have all been cut by hundreds of dollars.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/baillieu-to-reward-safe-venues/story-e...

Good policy, generally

But no word on how to make up for

revenue shortfalls

resulting from these cuts ?
Not to mention

cuts to stamp duty

and

speeding fine leniency ?

On top of an INCREASED spending program

You seem to be forgetting that this additional revenue didnt bring in the dollars Brumby expected because many venues shut their doors since it became too expensive.

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #740 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:26am

Quote:

State Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu has backed Stary's calls for an independent investigation into the drug baron's murder: "It's one thing to not care about Carl Williams, but it's another thing entirely to not care about the integrity of the justice system." Baillieu says. "This is a matter about the integrity of the justice system in this state, and that should be pre-eminent."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/motive-uncertain-in-prison-murder/...

Do you think YOUR choice of quote was his ONLY word on the matter ?

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #741 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:28am

Verge wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:19am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:08am:

But back to

"BaillieuWatch"

RESTAURANTS, cafes and clubs are toasting the Baillieu Government after it unexpectedly slashed their liquor licence fees.
Renewal bills have been halved for 10,500 small businesses and community clubs hit by steep rises under the former Labor government.

The discounts, which will save some clubs more than $800 a year, are the first step in a liquor licensing revamp that will include automatic suspension of licences at problem venues and discounts for pubs and clubs with good records.

Fees for clubs without gaming machines, community clubs, restaurants, cafes, BYO permits and limited temporary and limited renewable licences have all been cut by hundreds of dollars.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/baillieu-to-reward-safe-venues/story-e...

Good policy, generally

But no word on how to make up for

revenue shortfalls

resulting from these cuts ?
Not to mention

cuts to stamp duty

and

speeding fine leniency ?

On top of an INCREASED spending program

You seem to be forgetting that this additional revenue didnt bring in the dollars Brumby expected because many venues shut their doors since it became too expensive.

The MANY was the "Tote" in Carlton to my recollection

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #742 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:30am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:26am:

Quote:

State Opposition Leader Ted Baillieu has backed Stary's calls for an independent investigation into the drug baron's murder: "It's one thing to not care about Carl Williams, but it's another thing entirely to not care about the integrity of the justice system." Baillieu says. "This is a matter about the integrity of the justice system in this state, and that should be pre-eminent."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/motive-uncertain-in-prison-murder/...

Do you think YOUR choice of quote was his ONLY word on the matter ?

And yours doesnt say they should have a judical inquiry does it.

Where in his words does it say there should be one? All he has made reference to is the integrity of the system, and those words were in relation to his reply to Brumby who said he wasnt going to waste time on a royal commission for a serial killer.

So once again, you offer no proof, and use quotes out of context.

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Reply #743 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:32am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:28am:

Verge wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:19am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:08am:

But back to

"BaillieuWatch"

RESTAURANTS, cafes and clubs are toasting the Baillieu Government after it unexpectedly slashed their liquor licence fees.
Renewal bills have been halved for 10,500 small businesses and community clubs hit by steep rises under the former Labor government.

The discounts, which will save some clubs more than $800 a year, are the first step in a liquor licensing revamp that will include automatic suspension of licences at problem venues and discounts for pubs and clubs with good records.

Fees for clubs without gaming machines, community clubs, restaurants, cafes, BYO permits and limited temporary and limited renewable licences have all been cut by hundreds of dollars.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/baillieu-to-reward-safe-venues/story-e...

Good policy, generally

But no word on how to make up for

revenue shortfalls

resulting from these cuts ?
Not to mention

cuts to stamp duty

and

speeding fine leniency ?

On top of an INCREASED spending program

You seem to be forgetting that this additional revenue didnt bring in the dollars Brumby expected because many venues shut their doors since it became too expensive.

The MANY was the "Tote" in Carlton to my recollection

Head outside Greater Melbourne mate, small clubs were reducing trading hours and in cases no holding functions because of the cost.

This policy targeted Small Business.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n Reply #745 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 10:46am Strange Buzz never had a Brumby watch when we in Victoria had such a poor, arrogant Government. Not biased eh Buzz?
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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #747 - Jan 12^th, 2011 at 8:47pm

Cattle have returned to graze in the Alpine National Park more than five years after they were removed by Victoria's previous government.

The first of 400 cattle have returned to the park this week as part of a "bushfire risk trial"

Under the six-year Department of Sustainability and Environment (DSE) trial, the cattle will graze at six sites covering an area of over 25,000 hectares.

The practice ended in 2005 when the Bracks Labor government did not renew licences for farmers.

Ted Baillieu's newly elected coalition government had committed to returning the grazing as part of its election campaign and issued a statement on Wednesday stamped "Policy Implemented".

But the federal government says Mr Baillieu has been a bit hasty.

A spokeswoman for the federal Department of Sustainability, Environment, Water, Population and Communities said the government should have been consulted about the move and was not.

"Under national environment law, the onus to refer an activity falls on the person carrying out the activity," the spokeswoman said.

"Any activity likely to have a significant impact on a place protected under national environment law, such as a National Heritage place, must be submitted to the federal environment department to see whether federal assessment is needed."

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/cattle-return-to-alpine-nationa...

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #748 - Jan 12^th, 2011 at 8:51pm

"Bushfire risk trial" ?

PFFFTTT !

It was a ploy to placate - and win back - rural electorates

Alpine grazing a lucrative public subsidy for the privileged few

December 28, 2010

Cattle grazing in national parks is back on the agenda - it was an election policy of the Victorian Coalition that wasn't widely publicised and didn't get much media attention. Renewing the grazing licences would be a backward step for the environment and for ecotourism in the high country.

The key issues examined were whether

''grazing reduces blazing''

, the social, cultural and economic aspects of the licences and the environmental impact of cattle grazing.

The evidence is that both grazed and ungrazed areas of the park were burnt in the 2003 fires. Grazing didn't reduce blazing. Evidence of experienced fire managers and scientists was that the burning pattern of the 2003 fires reflected variables such as vegetation type, inherent fuel flammability, fuel moisture, terrain, and weather conditions or wind direction at the time, rather than grazing.

The most flammable fuel types in the park, which contribute almost the entire available fuel load to bushfires, are branches, twigs, bark, eucalyptus leaves and shrubs. With the exception of some shrubs, cattle do not eat these fuels. Snow grass in alpine grasslands traps moisture and can be very difficult to burn.

A firefighter in the 2003 fires told of how he was unable to sustain a backburn in ungrazed snow grass near Mount Hotham. Another noted that fire jumped from shrub to shrub across grassland patches tens to hundreds of metres wide, regardless of whether the area had been grazed.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/alpine-grazing-a-lucrative-public-subs...

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #749 - Jan 12^th, 2011 at 9:01pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 12^th, 2011 at 8:51pm:

"Bushfire risk trial" ?

PFFFTTT !

It was a ploy to placate - and win back - rural electorates

Alpine grazing a lucrative public subsidy for the privileged few

December 28, 2010

Cattle grazing in national parks is back on the agenda - it was an election policy of the Victorian Coalition that wasn't widely publicised and didn't get much media attention. Renewing the grazing licences would be a backward step for the environment and for ecotourism in the high country.

The key issues examined were whether

''grazing reduces blazing''

, the social, cultural and economic aspects of the licences and the environmental impact of cattle grazing.

The evidence is that both grazed and ungrazed areas of the park were burnt in the 2003 fires. Grazing didn't reduce blazing. Evidence of experienced fire managers and scientists was that the burning pattern of the 2003 fires reflected variables such as vegetation type, inherent fuel flammability, fuel moisture, terrain, and weather conditions or wind direction at the time, rather than grazing.

The most flammable fuel types in the park, which contribute almost the entire available fuel load to bushfires, are branches, twigs, bark, eucalyptus leaves and shrubs. With the exception of some shrubs, cattle do not eat these fuels. Snow grass in alpine grasslands traps moisture and can be very difficult to burn.

A firefighter in the 2003 fires told of how he was unable to sustain a backburn in ungrazed snow grass near Mount Hotham. Another noted that fire jumped from shrub to shrub across grassland patches tens to hundreds of metres wide, regardless of whether the area had been grazed.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/alpine-grazing-a-lucrative-public-subs...

Is this really the best you have, an opinion peice?

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