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Reply #750 - Jan 12^th, 2011 at 9:04pm

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Cattle have returned to graze in the Alpine National Park more than five years after they were removed by Victoria's previous government.

The first of 400 cattle have returned to the park this week as part of a "bushfire risk trial"

Under the six-year Department of Sustainability and Environment (DSE) trial, the cattle will graze at six sites covering an area of over 25,000 hectares.

The practice ended in 2005 when the Bracks Labor government did not renew licences for farmers.

Ted Baillieu's newly elected coalition government had committed to returning the grazing as part of its election campaign and issued a statement on Wednesday stamped "Policy Implemented".

But the federal government says Mr Baillieu has been a bit hasty.

A spokeswoman for the federal Department of Sustainability, Environment, Water, Population and Communities said the government should have been consulted about the move and was not.

"Under national environment law, the onus to refer an activity falls on the person carrying out the activity," the spokeswoman said.

"Any activity likely to have a significant impact on a place protected under national environment law, such as a National Heritage place, must be submitted to the federal environment department to see whether federal assessment is needed."

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/cattle-return-to-alpine-nationa...

He fulfilled a promise, and considering the alpine national park is held by either Liberal or national party seats, one that is supported by those in that area.

Grasping as straws now Buzz. Ted fulfilled a promise, one that was known at the time of the election, and the people of victoria put him in power with that on the table. What a bastard he is.

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Reply #751 - Jan 12^th, 2011 at 9:38pm

I see a LEGAL challenge on the way ...

Alpine grazing shenanigans
December 8, 2010

GRAZING in Victoria's Alpine National Park could put the Federal Government at loggerheads with the new State Government.

Federal Environment Minister Tony Burke has warned Victoria he would have the final say, but Premier Ted Baillieu has promised cattlemen they would regain access after being locked out by the former Labor government in 2005.

Mountain Cattlemen's Association of Victoria spokesman Chris Commins said members were itching to go back into the park.

Victorian National Parks Association spokesman Phil Ingamells said approval under the Federal Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act was needed before cattle could be allowed back in.

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2010/12/08/270325_latest-news.html

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Reply #752 - Jan 12^th, 2011 at 9:52pm

Well anybody or govt that locks up large areas of bush with noone looking after itother than a few public servants could only be classed as fools. National parks are nothing but areas that will eventually burn causing mass destruction to all life that lives in or near them. Life that is plant, animal and/or human.

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Reply #753 - Jan 12^th, 2011 at 9:53pm

Correction.....

Well anybody or govt that locks up large areas of bush with noone looking after it other than a few public servants could only be classed as fools. National parks are nothing but areas that will eventually burn causing mass destruction to all life that lives in or near them. Life that is plant, animal and/or human

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Reply #754 - Jan 12^th, 2011 at 10:15pm

One of the reasons for ending licensed alpine grazing was

the damage cattle were causing to the hundreds of mossy peat beds scattered throughout the high country

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These remarkable natural systems for distributing water through the seasons have, since grazing stopped, been helped towards recovery by alpine ecologists and thousands of hours of volunteer labour.

Some 60 years of impeccable science helped demonstrate why alpine grazing should end, and it was a courageous, evidence-based decision by the Bracks government to stop the practice in 2005.

A comprehensive study after the 2003 fire showed that cattle grazing didn’t have any significant impact on either the extent or severity of fire. It seems that

shrubs are the main agent for carrying fire in the alps, and cattle don’t eat them.

Even the exhaustive

Bushfires Royal Commission made no recommendation to reintroduce grazing

. And since grazing ended, all Australian mainland alpine national parks (including Kosciuszko, Namadgi and Mount Buffalo) have been given

national heritage listing.

National heritage listing gives the park added protection under federal law, the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act. And those fragile, ancient, moss-covered peat beds and their associated alpine wetlands have been listed as threatened under that same law.

Any attempt by the Coalition to reintroduce grazing as a management practice would be blocked by the federal government.

Victorians need a promise to seriously invest in the knowledge, expertise and resources required to keep our great natural areas healthy, and free from a growing range of pest plants and animals.

And the Alpine National Park needs

a solid commitment to remove the feral, hard-hooved beasts up there, the thousands of horses, pigs and deer

trampling and munching their way through areas the cattle didn’t always get to, such as the rainforests and wetlands down-slope.

It’s a national park, not a paddock.

http://www.cowpad.info/?p=149

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Reply #755 - Jan 12^th, 2011 at 10:29pm

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I see no reason to subsidise cattle farmers by granting them access to precious bushland. If they can't sustain their herds on their own properties, and they must have access to more lands, let them take their cattle to Melbourne to feed on the constantly watered and fertilised golf courses lining the Yarra and dotted throughout the wealthy (Liberal-voting) eastern suburbs.

ej | castlemaine - December 28, 2010, 8:24AM

This article exposes cattle grazing in the National Parks to be what it is a backward step. Why would we believe scientist and experts has politicians have all the answers? It should be noted that the high country covers many coalition held electorates, so is this a thank you present for their voters.

Ian - December 28, 2010, 8:38AM

I have travelled in the Alpine National Park extensively and since the cattle have left, the park is returning to its healthy natural state.

The once degraded creek banks have stabilized, the waterholes that were turned boggy and turbid by trampling cattle are now clear again, and wild flowers are growing where I have not seem them before.

Please Premier Bailleu, do not allow cattle grazing back in ther high country.

Cattle are not part of the natural environment.

Clean Water | Omeo - December 28, 2010, 8:42AM

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/alpine-grazing-a-lucrative-public-subs...

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Reply #756 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 12:34am

Returning to the days of allowing Cattle Grazing in Alpine "NATIONAL PARKS", is a retrograde step, and the argument that the graziers are really primarily concerned about the betterment of the alpine environment, by allowing their cattle to stomp all over it, is one of the most transparently ingenuous arguments I have ever heard.
The whole altruistic caretakers image that has been engineered by the farming lobby is quite preposterous, and their interest in the area is motivated purely by self interest.

This is payback for coalition support from this strong lobby, and should be opposed by all whose concern is for the the proper management of National Parks.

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Reply #757 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 7:22am

So in summary this is the old gay buzzards position:

he hates ted if he breaks a promise
he hates ted if he keeps a promise

Just maybe that explains why no one takes the old girl seriously anymore and why he/she feels the need to use a larger font than everyone else in the vain attempt to get noticed.

Buzz... you LOSE badly.

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Reply #760 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 8:56am

I have read that it is 400 head of Cattle .

It would be interesting to know on what basis the 400 cattle were chosen as in who their owners were?

These are government leases we’re talking about. There should have been an open tender process to determine who was selected, or was there?

I have also read that in the past local cattle growers resented the fact that some farmers had access to these leases and others did not.
Putting cattle back on the High Plains without re-opening the tender process will reallyprobablt pee them off. It trashes the idea of open government.

I have also read that before The decision to remove cattle was subject to a parliamentary enquiry, which took months of consultation.

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Reply #761 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 9:15am

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I have read that it is 400 head of Cattle .

It would be interesting to know on what basis the 400 cattle were chosen as in who their owners were?

These are government leases we’re talking about. There should have been an open tender process to determine who was selected, or was there?

I have also read that in the past local cattle growers resented the fact that some farmers had access to these leases and others did not.
Putting cattle back on the High Plains without re-opening the tender process will reallyprobablt pee them off. It trashes the idea of open government.

I have also read that before The decision to remove cattle was subject to a parliamentary enquiry, which took months of consultation.

Look out the brains trust has arrived. Stand by for some earth shattering news from vegetable.

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Reply #762 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 10:12am

beware wrote on Jan 13^th, 2011 at 8:07am:

Locking up massive amounts of land and than watching them burn out of control evey few years and killing every sign of life for thousands of hectares is not my idea of taking care of life and protecting plants. animals and human life.....

A comprehensive study after the 2003 fire showed that cattle grazing didn’t have any significant impact on either the extent or severity of fire. It seems that

shrubs are the main agent for carrying fire in the alps, and cattle don’t eat them.

Even the exhaustive

Bushfires Royal Commission made no recommendation to reintroduce grazing

.

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Reply #763 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 10:22am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 13^th, 2011 at 10:12am:

beware wrote on Jan 13^th, 2011 at 8:07am:

Locking up massive amounts of land and than watching them burn out of control evey few years and killing every sign of life for thousands of hectares is not my idea of taking care of life and protecting plants. animals and human life.....

A comprehensive study after the 2003 fire showed that cattle grazing didn’t have any significant impact on either the extent or severity of fire. It seems that

shrubs are the main agent for carrying fire in the alps, and cattle don’t eat them.

Even the exhaustive

Bushfires Royal Commission made no recommendation to reintroduce grazing

.

No cattle would make no difference but the policies of the Labor/Green movement are responsible for the massive destruction of animal and human life.

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Re: Baillieu: "We Can Do Better" (or maybe n
Reply #764 - Jan 13^th, 2011 at 10:40am

beware wrote on Jan 13^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 13^th, 2011 at 10:12am:

beware wrote on Jan 13^th, 2011 at 8:07am:

Locking up massive amounts of land and than watching them burn out of control evey few years and killing every sign of life for thousands of hectares is not my idea of taking care of life and protecting plants. animals and human life.....

A comprehensive study after the 2003 fire showed that cattle grazing didn’t have any significant impact on either the extent or severity of fire. It seems that

shrubs are the main agent for carrying fire in the alps, and cattle don’t eat them.

Even the exhaustive

Bushfires Royal Commission made no recommendation to reintroduce grazing

.

No cattle would make no difference but the policies of the Labor/Green movement are responsible for the massive destruction of animal and human life.

A BEWILDERINLY

ill-informed

,

ignorant

and

nonsensical

statement