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Dec 1st, 2010 at 10:32pm
 
Religious 'bullying' among Christmas Island detainees
By Jennifer Macey

Updated Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:22pm AEDT

An Iraqi asylum seeker being detained on Christmas Island says he is living in fear that he will be targeted by other detainees because of his religious beliefs.

In Iraq, life is getting harder for believers in faiths other than Islam.

At the end of last month, an attack on Iraq's dwindling Christian community left 58 people dead and Al Qaeda has warned that more killings would follow.

Another victimised minority are the Sabian Mandaean, whose followers revere John the Baptist.

Some have fled to Australia and now a Mandaean detainee on Christmas Island fears that the persecution has followed him here.

Salah Azuhari, 45, fled from his village in southern Iraq because of religious persecution.

Speaking through ABC local radio's Hana Vieva, Mr Azuhari said that other Iraqi detainees have bullied him.

"They told him he had no right to sit with them, eat with them, be in their presence. And they said that because of his religious belief he has no right to live in Iraq or anywhere else," Ms Vieva said.

"He's been on the run since Iraq and Jordan and he feels like he's still on the run even though he's in Australia."

Mr Azuhari has been in detention on Christmas Island for one month.

He says his family in Iraq were tortured by the Mehdi army and the Badr forces, a political party.

"He and his family were tortured, his family was bombed. His uncle received a nail to his head. So they basically bashed a nail through his brain. He was subsequently kidnapped, tortured and put around dead bodies, other dead bodies," the interpreter said.

"They're basically seen as sinners. They're looked upon as Christians and Jews by the fundamental Muslims. So they're tortured because they're sinners."

The Mandaeans are pacifists and their religion prevents them from taking part in protests.

Mr Azuhari says that is why he refused to go on a hunger strike to protest against the death of an Iraqi detainee in Villawood.

"He is a law-abiding citizen who follows the rules. He's doing that in the detention centre," Ms Vieva said.

"He's isolated and he's isolated himself because he fears. He has been threatened to be killed while he sleeps.

"He feels that the situation in the detention centre is like, exactly the situation in Iraq."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/25/3076855.htm?section=justin


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Reply #1 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 10:43pm
 
Vic police face racism court action
By Jean Edwards

Updated Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:46am AEDT

A group of young African and Afghan men are taking Federal Court action against Victorian police officers, accusing them of racism.

The police are alleged to have racially taunted, abused and assaulted people at Flemington, Kensington and North Melbourne.

The group has laucnhed the action against seven police officers and the Chief Commissioner, Simon Overland.

Lawyer Peter Seidel says the claims are serious.

"We allege that the police named in the statement of claim have carried out various assaults in public places," he said.

"[It's alleged the officers] used excessive force, engaged in unjustifiable searches, unlawfully seized and retained persons' property, misused their power, and routinely engaged in racial taunts and abuse."

The Police Chief Commissioner, Simon Overland says the claims will be defended.

"Obviously the allegations that have been made are serious and of concern, we will be defending them" he said.

"I have no tolerance, no truck with racism in the organisation.

"If any of these allegations were found to be true I would regard them extremely seriously, but at the moment my advice is we refute the claims, we will be defending the claims."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/29/3079170.htm?section=justin
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Reply #2 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 11:05pm
 
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"They're basically seen as sinners. They're looked upon as Christians and Jews by the fundamental Muslims. So they're tortured because they're sinners."


Good way to try and get your asylum claims processed quicker, tell the West that the big bad evil Muslims are oppressing you. In other words p!ss in my pocket and I'll p!ss in yours so we can keep each other warm.

Pretty rock solid line to take isn't it? Knowing some people are desperate enough they'll take any kind of sensationalist garbage about Islam they can lay their feeble minds on.
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Reply #3 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 5:59am
 
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Thirty-seven Christians, including two priests, were killed when US and Iraqi forces stormed a Baghdad cathedral to free dozens of hostages being held by al-Qaeda gunmen, witnesses and officials said on Monday.


http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-world/priests-among-37-christians-killed-in-iraq-20101101-17941.html

Some people who really wish it was just in fact, sensationalist garbage.

Humiliating and killing the infidel and enforcing religious apartheid is key to Islamic philosophy. The more Islam, the more persecution of the 'others'. That's entirely Islamic.
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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 6:13am
 
Yet neither you nor the age mention the fact that this was in response to the kidnapping of two Egyptian women who converted to Islam and wo have just disappeared off the face of the earth.

Not that two wrongs make a right, but why not speak about the original act? why not speak about the half a million Iraqi kids Albright took responsibility for killing when you speak about 9/11? Or the 50 odd years of Western-backed/funded murder, expulsion etc. of the Palestinians? Why? Because you're a dishonest cretin, that's why!
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Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 9:42pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Dec 2nd, 2010 at 6:13am:
Yet neither you nor the age mention the fact that this was in response to the kidnapping of two Egyptian women who converted to Islam and wo have just disappeared off the face of the earth.

Not that two wrongs make a right, but why not speak about the original act? why not speak about the half a million Iraqi kids Albright took responsibility for killing when you speak about 9/11? Or the 50 odd years of Western-backed/funded murder, expulsion etc. of the Palestinians? Why? Because you're a dishonest cretin, that's why!



Oh, get lost. Until you can show some self-awareness and an ability to critically examine your own ideology, you remain just a smacking jihadi blow-hard.



Believe this, or else.
December 2, 2010
LAST year Asia Bibi, a mother of five, was told to bring water to fellow workers in a field in rural Pakistan. They declined to drink, saying that as a Christian she had contaminated it. They pressured her to convert to Islam and, goaded, she said she did not believe Muhammad was a true prophet. For that remark she has been sentenced to death.
Without even seeking her account, a Pakistani court has condemned her to hang under the country's notorious blasphemy law. Thanks to international pressure, including a plea from the Pope, she may receive a presidential pardon, but Islamist groups have promised to kill her anyway.

This is no idle threat. Last month Latif Masih was shot dead after being bailed on another blasphemy charge, that he "desecrated a Koran". His accuser then admitted he had invented the tale because he wanted to take over the 22-year-old Christian's shop in Pakistan's Punjab province.

Meanwhile,an Iranian court has sentenced to death a Muslim man who converted to Christianity, and an Afghan amputee has pleaded for help after being tortured in jail over his conversion. In the Maldives last month, parents tried to lynch a Christian teacher for drawing a cross on a blackboard (she was demonstrating the points of the compass).
(Abu, these are your people. Embrace them, praise them, they are you.)


In many Muslim countries, such as Egypt and Pakistan, Christian women are often abducted, raped and forced to marry Muslims, their kidnappers knowing the police will intimidate the victims' families should they dare to complain. In almost every Muslim country, to be a Christian or another religious minority, or even a Muslim of the wrong description, may be to live a life of fear, danger and constant, systemic discrimination much worse than the undoubted difficulties faced by many Muslims in the West.

That is why there is real concern that the United Nations General Assembly this month is likely to approve a non-binding resolution against the "defamation of religion". Its sponsors, the 56-nation Organisation of the Islamic Conference, say their ultimate aim is an international blasphemy law that will make it a criminal offence to disparage Islam.

The resolution is designed to bolster discriminatory laws in Muslim countries and to combat Islamophobia in non-Muslim countries, in many of which, the OIC says, there is a campaign to promote intolerance, especially by linking Islam with violence and terrorism.

the rest here:
http://www.theage.com.au/world/believe-this-or-else-20101202-18h86.html


Abu, you have converted not to a private spiritual path shared by millions but to a primitive, stupid and aggressive ideology shared by millions. The supreme stupidity is that the best of you think that you can pull off a worldwide 'let's not critically examine islam' wheeze. How smacking stupid are you guys?



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Reply #6 - Dec 2nd, 2010 at 11:53pm
 
And you actually believe this garbage?

Come on, a Christian woman contaminates water?? The only religion I know of which has such ideas is Judaism (remember the goy defiles the wine even if just left in the same room as it alone). There's no such concept in Islam at all. This story is obviously concocted for gullible audiences like yourself.

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In many Muslim countries, such as Egypt and Pakistan, Christian women are often abducted, raped and forced to marry Muslims, their kidnappers knowing the police will intimidate the victims' families should they dare to complain.


Pure fabrication. You just make this up as you go along, based on some nonsense you gleaned from an anti-Islamic website. You have a serious lack of credibility already, let alone pinning yourself to this kind of tripe.
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Reply #7 - Dec 3rd, 2010 at 12:08am
 

abu - Asia Bibi is her name.

Her supporters say she will now appeal against the sentence handed down in a local court in the town of Sheikhupura, near Lahore, Pakistan.

Ashiq Masih, her husband, said he had not had the heart to break the news to two of their children.



research it, then apologise and drop your filthy muslim belief and live a free life
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Reply #8 - Dec 3rd, 2010 at 6:45am
 
I don't recall saying she wasn't sentenced.

Just that the reports about it are probably full of garbage, since they just sound fabricated.
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Reply #9 - Dec 3rd, 2010 at 10:13am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Dec 3rd, 2010 at 6:45am:
I don't recall saying she wasn't sentenced.

Just that the reports about it are probably full of garbage, since they just sound fabricated.



See?? Even you can't believe your ears when you hear about these bizarre events in 'Muslim lands'.
You don't recall? Well, let me recall it for you:

The court heard she had been working as a farmhand in fields with other women, when she was asked to fetch drinking water.

Some of the other women – all Muslims – refused to drink the water as it had been brought by a Christian and was therefore "unclean", according to Mrs Bibi's evidence, sparking a row.

The incident was forgotten until a few days later when Mrs Bibi said she was set upon by a mob.

The police were called and took her to a police station for her own safety.

Shahzad Kamran, of the Sharing Life Ministry Pakistan, said: "The police were under pressure from this Muslim mob, including clerics, asking for Asia to be killed because she had spoken ill of the Prophet Mohammed.

"So after the police saved her life they then registered a blasphemy case against her." He added that she had been held in isolation for more than a year before being sentenced to death on Monday.

"The trial was clear," he said. "She was innocent and did not say those words." Earlier this year, Pakistan's internet service providers were ordered to block Facebook to prevent access to supposedly blasphemous images.

Human rights groups believe the law is often used to discriminate against religious minorities, such as the country's estimated three million Christians.

Although no one has ever been executed under Pakistan's blasphemy laws – most are freed on appeal – as many as 10 people are thought to have been murdered while on trial.

Ali Hasan Dayan, of Human Rights Watch, said the blasphemy laws were out of step with rights guaranteed under Pakistan's constitution and should be repealed.

"It's an obscene law," he said. "Essentially the blasphemy law is used as a tool of persecution and to settle other scores that are nothing to do with religion. It makes religious minorities particularly vulnerable because it's often used against them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/8120142/Christian-woman-sent...


Now you can either stick your head back in your arsse and pretend that there's nothing to see outside your own Muslim fundament, or you can pull your head out, take a deep breath and have a look around.



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Reply #10 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 8:56am
 
So let me get this straight soren... because I'm having a hard time believing you're this daft.

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The court heard she had been working as a farmhand in fields with other women, when she was asked to fetch drinking water


So she was working in the fields with some other women (who we later will see were all Muslims). And since she was a Christian they think she's a slave, and so they made her bring the water...

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Some of the other women – all Muslims – refused to drink the water as it had been brought by a Christian and was therefore "unclean", according to Mrs Bibi's evidence, sparking a row.


Then when she arrives with the water, they all of a sudden remember that they can't actually drink the unclean water that's been defiled by a Christian.

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The incident was forgotten until a few days later when Mrs Bibi said she was set upon by a mob.


Then they just forgot all about the incident (whatever it was supposed to have been anyway) until a few days later, when they all of a sudden remembered that they should set upon her as a mob for absolutely no reason at all, other than they supposedly forgot that she defiled their water, because they forgot Christians can't bring water without defiling it....

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Shahzad Kamran, of the Sharing Life Ministry Pakistan


And all of this is related to us by the Benny Hinn of Pakistan...

Right.

Ok mate, I believe ya.

Honestly I can't believe your game enough to pin this crap next to your name.
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Reply #11 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 2:17pm
 
Agence France- Presse:

Pakistan cleric offers reward for killing Christian woman
(AFP) – 12 hours ago

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — A hardline cleric in northwest Pakistan on Friday offered a reward of 6,000 dollars to anyone who kills a Christian mother sentenced to death for insulting the Prophet Mohammed.

Maulana Yousuf Qureshi issued the call in Peshawar, the capital of northwestern Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa province, at a rally against moves to pardon the woman.



Arab New:

As a matter of fact, the accused Aasia Bibi, who belongs to a small Punjab town with a Christian majority, was in the habit of openly uttering derogatory and insulting remarks about the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his wives. She admitted her misdemeanor in the court and showed no remorse. Her trial under the blasphemy law continued for more than a year and her lawyers remained free to defend her and prove her innocence. Nobody raised any doubt about the legal proceedings and there was no complaint about any pressure, religious or political, on defendant or her lawyers. Nevertheless, when she was awarded capital punishment as per the country’s law, the so-called liberals and civil-rights activists raised a hue and cry.



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Reward offered in blasphemy case
(UKPA) – 13 hours ago

A hardline Pakistani Islamic cleric has offered a reward to anyone who kills a Christian woman convicted of blasphemy against Islam.

Maulana Yousef Qureshi told a rally in the north-western town of Peshawar that his mosque would give 6,000 US dollars (£3,800) to the person who kills Asia Bibi.

Bibi, who is in jail, was sentenced on November 8 to hang for insulting the Prophet Mohammed. She and her family say the charge is baseless.

Her case has attracted international attention and a personal appeal from Pope Benedict XVI for her freedom, while government officials have talked about the possibility of a presidential pardon.

But Islamist groups have protested against any move to show leniency towards her.


Human Rights Watch:
Defenders of the blasphemy law argue that most of those charged under the law are Muslims and therefore it does not target minorities. What do you say?

It is true that the majority of those charged under the blasphemy law are Muslims. But an instrument of persecution does not become any less unacceptable because it is used against Muslims as well. The fact is that the law is used against some of the most disempowered sections of society - religious minorities, heterodox Muslims and the poor. But its effect on minorities is particularly dire as it effectively turns them into second class citizens, deprived of freedom of expression or belief. Further, the failure to address religious persecution by Islamist groups effectively enables atrocities against the vulnerable. Charges are seldom brought against those responsible for such violence. Our research indicates that the police have not apprehended anyone implicated in such activity in the last several years.

How do you think the government has responded to Aasia Bibi's being awarded the death penalty?

The government's initial response was encouraging. Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer and minorities minister Shahbaz Bhatti spoke out in support of Aasia Bibi and suggested that President Zardari would pardon her quickly. There were suggestions that the government was considering amending the law to weaken its draconian provisions.

But the government appears to have lost its nerve in the face of a coalition of fringe extremist elements. Law Minister Babar Awan's November 26, 2010 proclamation that "as long as I am law minister, no one should think of finishing this law," was appalling. It is shameful that Awan, a PPP minister, is defending black laws imposed by the military dictatorship of General Zia-ul-Haq. Awan's views run counter to the liberal, egalitarian ethos of the PPP and are a clear betrayal of the party's stated positions, history and values.

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Reply #12 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 5:56pm
 
Here's another report of the case, from CNN, not from Pakistan's Benny Hinn.

No mention of water being defiled, just mention of slandering and defaming Islamic figures.


Christian woman sentenced to death for blasphemy in Pakistan
CNN's Reza Sayah and journalist Nasir Habib filed this report:

A Christian woman has been sentenced to  death for blasphemy in Pakistan, two police officials told CNN Thursday.

Asia Bibi was convicted of insulting Islam's prophet, Mohammed, while  working in a field with several Muslim women in a village southwest of Lahore.

She told them the Quran was "fake" and made comments about one of  Mohammed's wives and about his health in his final days, the police complaint  against her said.

She said that "the Quran is fake and your prophet remained in bed for one  month before his death because he had worms in his ears and mouth. He married  Khadija just for money and after looting her kicked her out of the house," local police official Muhammad Ilyas told CNN.


The initial complaint against Bibi was filed on June 14, 2009, by a  Muslim cleric, Ilyas said.

Police say the Muslim women reported the incident to Qari Muhammad Salim,  who later filed the police report. The cleric claims Bibi confessed to him and  apologized.

Muhammad Iqbal, a senior police official in the district of Nankana  Sahib, said she also was fined the equivalent of $1,100.

Police say Bibi was charged with breaking section 295-C of Pakistan's  penal code, which says: "Whoever ... defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine."

Former Pakistani Supreme Court Justice Nasir Aslam Zahid told CNN he  doesn't recall a death sentence ever being carried against someone convicted of  breaking Pakistan's anti-blasphemy laws.

Death sentences in these cases are almost always overturned by higher  courts on appeal, he said.

Death sentences are carried out by hanging in Pakistan.

CNN has not yet been able to contact Bibi or her family directly. It is not clear when the sentence was handed down.

CNN
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Reply #13 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 10:33pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 5:56pm:
section 295-C of Pakistan's  penal code, which says: "Whoever ... defiles the sacred name of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life, and shall also be liable to fine."



Now if this is not an invitation for thinking that Mohammed and all the law-makers and judges of Pakistan a bunch of primitive fascist idiots, I don't know what is. What do you think, Rashid's dad?

I am not saying Mohammed was an odious, violent idiot ( I don't want to make blasphemous statemets offending ourt Muslim minorities, do I?). I am just thinking it. Do blasphemy laws under Islam cover utterances only or thoughts as well? In other words, are you persecuting freedom of expression only or freedom of conscience as well?


I am not saying you are a bigoted fascist Muslim. I am just thinking it, privately, to myself. Just reporting the thought.



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KIRKUK, Iraq – Iraqi Christians on Wednesday called off Christmas festivities across the country as al-Qaida insurgents threatened more attacks on a beleaguered community still terrified from a bloody siege at a Baghdad church two months earlier.

A council representing Christian denominations across Iraq advised its followers to cancel public Christmas celebrations out of concern over new terror attacks and as a show of mourning for the victims of the church siege and other violence.

Church officials in the northern cities of Kirkuk and Mosul, the southern city of Basra and in the capital confirmed they will not put up Christmas decorations or hold evening Mass and have urged worshippers to refrain from decorating their homes. Even an appearance by Santa Claus was called off.

"Nobody can ignore the threats of al-Qaida against Iraqi Christians," said Chaldean Archbishop Louis Sako in Kirkuk. "We cannot find a single source of joy that makes us celebrate. The situation of the Christians is bleak."

Christians across Iraq have been living in fear since a Baghdad church attack in October that left 68 people dead. Days later insurgents targeted Christian homes and neighborhoods across the capital with a series of bombs.

An al-Qaida front group that claimed responsibility for the church siege vowed at the time to carry out a reign of terror against Christians.
The Islamic State of Iraq renewed its threats in a message posted late Tuesday on a website frequented by Islamic extremists. The group said it wants the release of two women it claims are being held captive by Egypt's Coptic Church...




"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached".



Merry Christmas, Iraq.

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