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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40710 Gender:	Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC Reply #105 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 12:48pm they'ld sing any petition. just give them free flights, accommodation and food at exotic locations.
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Reply #106 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 1:01pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 12:47pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 12:46pm:

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Climate Change/Global Warming is a perfectly natural phenomenon and nothing we do can accelerate it or deccelerate it....

It amazes me just how stupid people are that think all the pollution of the industrial age and particularly the last 60 years could not affect the environment. At least they're a minority. Shocked

The 'environment' or the climate???

And NO they're NOT the same thing...

The climate affects the environment, do you understand that?
Is climate the same as weather? Its not a trick question, lots on here think it is, I just need to know if I'm wasting my time on your capacity to understand.

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Reply #107 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 1:04pm

You fail to understand that Australia can do precisely bugger all about affecting the climate.

All a carbon tax does is make people pay more money for their electricity.

Some of you clowns really are total idiots on this and show no compassion to struggling families who would pay through the nose for your idiotic pipe dreams.

I refuse to pay a single cent until I see China and India's emissions declining.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC Reply #108 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 1:23pm Quote: I refuse to pay a single cent until I see China and India's emissions declining. Well you wont, you claim you don't live here, talk about challenged.
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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5470 Gender:	Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC Reply #109 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 1:26pm He lives in the U.S skip, or alleges to. The U.S is a major emitter; far more so than India, especially on a per-capita basis. They can definitely make a difference. So.. would you pay a cent to reduce U.S emissions, Andrei?
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Reply #110 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 1:28pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 1:01pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 12:47pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 12:46pm:

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Climate Change/Global Warming is a perfectly natural phenomenon and nothing we do can accelerate it or deccelerate it....

It amazes me just how stupid people are that think all the pollution of the industrial age and particularly the last 60 years could not affect the environment. At least they're a minority. Shocked

The 'environment' or the climate???

And NO they're NOT the same thing...

The climate affects the environment, do you understand that?
Is climate the same as weather? Its not a trick question, lots on here think it is, I just need to know if I'm wasting my time on your capacity to understand.

Yes I do know that, but the environment doesn't 'control' climate.....but Climate controls environment..

Weather is part of climate (and is affected BY climate), like the radio is a 'part' of a car...

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5470 Gender:	Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC Reply #111 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 1:31pm I think the members here get mixed up with the lies about themselves sometimes.
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Reply #112 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 1:39pm

JC Denton wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 1:26pm:

They can definitely make a difference. So.. would you pay a cent to reduce U.S emissions, Andrei?

Until I see Indian and Chinese emissions reduce, I do not see why the rest of us should.

In the USA we enjoy a more competitively priced energy source.

I pay 79c per litre for petrol for example whereas others on here would pay what? $1.35 per litre or something?

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Reply #113 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:03pm

Surely people can see that the solution to climate change is less Government, less bureaucracy, less corporatism and less taxation - not more. If we are going to get serious on climate then lets pull out of the UN, lets run international relations through embassies, lets abolish recycled Soviet economic growth models and get back to sane stable Government and society. Remember, a small sleeping Government that is responsible, non reformist and minds its own business is a good Government.

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Reply #114 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:10pm

Prevailing wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:03pm:

Surely people can see that the solution to climate change is less Government, less bureaucracy, less corporatism and less taxation - not more. If we are going to get serious on climate then lets pull out of the UN, lets run international relations through embassies, lets abolish recycled Soviet economic growth models and get back to sane stable Government and society. Remember, a small sleeping Government that is responsible, non reformist and minds its own business is a good Government.

Oh absolutely...Climate change will end, when we give up cities, electricity, medicine, running water, all technology and start living in communes again, wearing homespun hemp clothing, growing lentils and hemp plants and go back to the 'good old days' when we died at age 40 (if we survived all the childhood illnesses) and never ever travelled more than 20 kms from our village.....

Ahhh yes, 600BC , when humans lived in 'Utopia'..

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Reply #115 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:29pm

I have always been one to embrace reality rather than Communist ideology and propaganda, big reformist Government is the antithesis of social and human proress and prosperity.

But sure by all means lets take a look at your Government directed Utopias - - the soviet union, the PRC, the third reich, Cambodia, the examples are endless and the outcomes are predictive.

Only smaller non reformist non growth in Governments and bureaucracy will save us...and a Government that can admit its failings and meet its obligations to its citizens...

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC Reply #116 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:31pm skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 1:01pm: Is climate the same as weather? Its not a trick question, lots on here think it is, I just need to know if I'm wasting my time on your capacity to understand. Climate is weather statistics.
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Reply #117 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:50pm

Soren wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:31pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 1:01pm:

Is climate the same as weather? Its not a trick question, lots on here think it is, I just need to know if I'm wasting my time on your capacity to understand.

Climate is weather statistics.

Climate is the average weather pattern in a place over many years.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC Reply #118 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:58pm Climates changes if the factors that influence them fluctuate. To change climate on a global scale, either the amount of heat that is let into the system changes, or the amount of heat that is let out of the system changes. do you understand this Gizmo?
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Reply #119 - Dec 9^th, 2010 at 3:10pm

you are off topic

do you understand this skippy ?

Aussie releases about 2% of the worlds (supposed) pollution.

do you understand this skippy ?

even if we completley stopped our pollution, it'ld make no difference

do you understand this skippy ?

copenhagan caused more pollution that it saved, but the leftards are at it again.

do you understand this skippy ?

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