Australian Politics Forum - The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC

skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC Reply #165 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 7:29am Saint Nickoff wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 6:09pm: LOL thought it was you nef, you always post and then delete it.
Back to top	freedivers other forum- POLITICAL ANIMAL Click onWWW below IP Logged

skippy.

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 20882
Gender: male

Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC
Reply #166 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 7:44am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

Climates changes if the factors that influence them fluctuate. To change climate on a global scale, either the amount of heat that is let into the system changes, or the amount of heat that is let out of the system changes.

do you understand this Gizmo?

Yes, and changes to climate affect the environment.....fairly simple..

Now tell me how changes to the environment change the amount of heat in or out of the system.....

Without resorting to any reference to man-made Co2 or Green House Gases....

So you dont really want to know, Ok, stay oblivious to the facts, I never expected you could comprehend it anyway.

Back to top

freedivers other forum- POLITICAL ANIMAL
Click onWWW below

IP Logged

gizmo_2655

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male

Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC
Reply #167 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 8:34am

skippy. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 7:44am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

Climates changes if the factors that influence them fluctuate. To change climate on a global scale, either the amount of heat that is let into the system changes, or the amount of heat that is let out of the system changes.

do you understand this Gizmo?

Yes, and changes to climate affect the environment.....fairly simple..

Now tell me how changes to the environment change the amount of heat in or out of the system.....

Without resorting to any reference to man-made Co2 or Green House Gases....

So you dont really want to know, Ok, stay oblivious to the facts, I never expected you could comprehend it anyway.

Ahhh so atmospheric physics is ONLY about man-made actions???
I want to 'know' without the warmist rhetoric....

Back to top

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat

IP Logged

Andrei.Hicks

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 23818
Carlsbad, CA
Gender: male

Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC
Reply #168 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 8:58am

skippy. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 7:44am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

Climates changes if the factors that influence them fluctuate. To change climate on a global scale, either the amount of heat that is let into the system changes, or the amount of heat that is let out of the system changes.

do you understand this Gizmo?

Yes, and changes to climate affect the environment.....fairly simple..

Now tell me how changes to the environment change the amount of heat in or out of the system.....

Without resorting to any reference to man-made Co2 or Green House Gases....

So you dont really want to know, Ok, stay oblivious to the facts, I never expected you could comprehend it anyway.

If it means we pay less money and have more to spend on cars and holidays etc that works for me.

Back to top

Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination - Oscar Wilde

IP Logged

Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40710 Gender:	Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC Reply #169 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 9:42am What if we pay LOTS more taxes to the govt, cripple aussie industries, send jobs overseas for NO difference at ALL in the worlds climate ? Does that work for you ? It does for the unwashed leftards
Back to top	Modern Classic Right Wing IP Logged

Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC Reply #170 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 10:00am Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 9:42am: What if we pay LOTS more taxes to the govt, cripple aussie industries, send jobs overseas for NO difference at ALL in the worlds climate ? Great idea. Let's sign up to that.
Back to top	Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination - Oscar Wilde IP Logged

Miss Anne Dryst

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2296
Sydney
Gender: female

Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC
Reply #171 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 12:11pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 9:42am:

What if we pay LOTS more taxes to the govt, cripple aussie industries, send jobs overseas for NO difference at ALL in the worlds climate ?

Does that work for you ?
It does for the unwashed leftards

The lefties are unwashed because of the 'deadly and dreaded' dihydrogen monoxide that the environmentalist want banned.

Back to top

It's hard to soar like an eagle when conversing with turkeys

IP Logged

Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC Reply #172 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 12:14pm Seriously - Let's make people pay more in tax, do nothing to resolve the global environment, hinder Australian businesses, make everyday items more expensive.... Can we do that? Whose got the blueprint to this excellent idea?
Back to top	Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination - Oscar Wilde IP Logged

Miss Anne Dryst

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 2296
Sydney
Gender: female

Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC
Reply #173 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 12:21pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 12:14pm:

Seriously -

Let's make people pay more in tax, do nothing to resolve the global environment, hinder Australian businesses, make everyday items more expensive....

Can we do that?

Whose got the blueprint to this excellent idea?

You omitted opeing every house to allow two or three families of illegal boat people to reside in.

Back to top

It's hard to soar like an eagle when conversing with turkeys

IP Logged

gizmo_2655

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male

Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC
Reply #174 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:15pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 7:44am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

Climates changes if the factors that influence them fluctuate. To change climate on a global scale, either the amount of heat that is let into the system changes, or the amount of heat that is let out of the system changes.

do you understand this Gizmo?

Yes, and changes to climate affect the environment.....fairly simple..

Now tell me how changes to the environment change the amount of heat in or out of the system.....

Without resorting to any reference to man-made Co2 or Green House Gases....

So you dont really want to know, Ok, stay oblivious to the facts, I never expected you could comprehend it anyway.

Skippy I already understand the ways the Earth heats and cools....I also understand the abolute necessity of Green House Gases in order for human life to exist.....

Back to top

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat

IP Logged

skippy.

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 20882
Gender: male

Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC
Reply #175 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:43pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 7:44am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

Climates changes if the factors that influence them fluctuate. To change climate on a global scale, either the amount of heat that is let into the system changes, or the amount of heat that is let out of the system changes.

do you understand this Gizmo?

Yes, and changes to climate affect the environment.....fairly simple..

Now tell me how changes to the environment change the amount of heat in or out of the system.....

Without resorting to any reference to man-made Co2 or Green House Gases....

So you dont really want to know, Ok, stay oblivious to the facts, I never expected you could comprehend it anyway.

Skippy I already understand the ways the Earth heats and cools....I also understand the abolute necessity of Green House Gases in order for human life to exist.....

Exactly we do need them, so why is that you cannot understand that if too much water vapor carbon dioxide methane and nitrous oxide cannot escape earths lower atmosphere it gets trapped and creates heat and traps that heat in the earths atmosphere?.

Back to top

freedivers other forum- POLITICAL ANIMAL
Click onWWW below

IP Logged

____

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male

Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC
Reply #176 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:48pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 9:42am:

What if we pay LOTS more taxes to the govt, cripple aussie industries, send jobs overseas for NO difference at ALL in the worlds climate ?

Does that work for you ?
It does for the unwashed leftards

If Lefties are unwashed ... does this mean righties are 'washed up'?

Back to top

IP Logged

gizmo_2655

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male

Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC
Reply #177 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:52pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 7:44am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

Climates changes if the factors that influence them fluctuate. To change climate on a global scale, either the amount of heat that is let into the system changes, or the amount of heat that is let out of the system changes.

do you understand this Gizmo?

Yes, and changes to climate affect the environment.....fairly simple..

Now tell me how changes to the environment change the amount of heat in or out of the system.....

Without resorting to any reference to man-made Co2 or Green House Gases....

So you dont really want to know, Ok, stay oblivious to the facts, I never expected you could comprehend it anyway.

Skippy I already understand the ways the Earth heats and cools....I also understand the abolute necessity of Green House Gases in order for human life to exist.....

Exactly we do need them, so why is that you cannot understand that if too much water vapor carbon dioxide methane and nitrous oxide cannot escape earths lower atmosphere it gets trapped and creates heat and traps that heat in the earths atmosphere?.

But is the increase in water vapour and Co2 the 'cause' of warming, or the RESULT of warming????

In other words, if mankind had NEVER under gone the Industrial Revolution, how much would the temperatures have risen between 1850 and 2000???

Back to top

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat

IP Logged

skippy.

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 20882
Gender: male

Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC
Reply #178 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 4:15pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 7:44am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

Climates changes if the factors that influence them fluctuate. To change climate on a global scale, either the amount of heat that is let into the system changes, or the amount of heat that is let out of the system changes.

do you understand this Gizmo?

Yes, and changes to climate affect the environment.....fairly simple..

Now tell me how changes to the environment change the amount of heat in or out of the system.....

Without resorting to any reference to man-made Co2 or Green House Gases....

So you dont really want to know, Ok, stay oblivious to the facts, I never expected you could comprehend it anyway.

Skippy I already understand the ways the Earth heats and cools....I also understand the abolute necessity of Green House Gases in order for human life to exist.....

Exactly we do need them, so why is that you cannot understand that if too much water vapor carbon dioxide methane and nitrous oxide cannot escape earths lower atmosphere it gets trapped and creates heat and traps that heat in the earths atmosphere?.

But is the increase in water vapour and Co2 the 'cause' of warming, or the RESULT of warming????

In other words, if mankind had NEVER under gone the Industrial Revolution, how much would the temperatures have risen between 1850 and 2000???

Well I'm not a scientist, are you?
But it seems reasonable to me that what science is saying is correct, do you really think all the pollution via those gases could be good?
While temperature fluctuation has always happened, why have temperatures risen much more since the industrial revolution?

Think about the logic's, disregard the "greenhouse gas" word you seem to hate so much ( that's why I didn't use it, its easier to understand if you think of the actual gases)and look at it logically. If you released those gases inside a room on a continuous basis what would happen? where could they go? with all of that extra carbon dioxide methane nitrous oxide and water vapour would it get hotter?

Back to top

freedivers other forum- POLITICAL ANIMAL
Click onWWW below

IP Logged

gizmo_2655

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 16010
South West NSW
Gender: male

Re: The Cost Of Liberal Party's Inaction On CC
Reply #179 - Dec 10^th, 2010 at 5:28pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 4:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:52pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:43pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 1:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 10^th, 2010 at 7:44am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 9:15pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 9^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

Climates changes if the factors that influence them fluctuate. To change climate on a global scale, either the amount of heat that is let into the system changes, or the amount of heat that is let out of the system changes.

do you understand this Gizmo?

Yes, and changes to climate affect the environment.....fairly simple..

Now tell me how changes to the environment change the amount of heat in or out of the system.....

Without resorting to any reference to man-made Co2 or Green House Gases....

So you dont really want to know, Ok, stay oblivious to the facts, I never expected you could comprehend it anyway.

Skippy I already understand the ways the Earth heats and cools....I also understand the abolute necessity of Green House Gases in order for human life to exist.....

Exactly we do need them, so why is that you cannot understand that if too much water vapor carbon dioxide methane and nitrous oxide cannot escape earths lower atmosphere it gets trapped and creates heat and traps that heat in the earths atmosphere?.

But is the increase in water vapour and Co2 the 'cause' of warming, or the RESULT of warming????

In other words, if mankind had NEVER under gone the Industrial Revolution, how much would the temperatures have risen between 1850 and 2000???

Well I'm not a scientist, are you?
But it seems reasonable to me that what science is saying is correct, do you really think all the pollution via those gases could be good?
While temperature fluctuation has always happened, why have temperatures risen much more since the industrial revolution?

Think about the logic's, disregard the "greenhouse gas" word you seem to hate so much ( that's why I didn't use it, its easier to understand if you think of the actual gases)and look at it logically. If you released those gases inside a room on a continuous basis what would happen? where could they go? with all of that extra carbon dioxide methane nitrous oxide and water vapour would it get hotter?

So you mean that IF there was NO industrial revolution, or 'man-made' Co2 production, then the temperatures would have increase by exactly the same amount??
That means that 'global warming' or 'climate change' is perfectly natural doesn't it???

What 'pollution'??? neither water vapour nor Co2 are pollutants....both are required for plant growth and 'life' generally....

" If you released those gases inside a room on a continuous basis what would happen? where could they go? with all of that extra carbon dioxide methane nitrous oxide and water vapour would it get hotter?"

No, it might be come difficult to breath, if you don't include oxygen in the mix.....but other than that (providing there's a descent oxygen level), and that there is no heat source, it wouldn't make much difference...

Back to top

"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat

IP Logged