As far as I'm aware, Hamas has always said they'd accept a _ceasefire_ in return for the Zionists evacuating what they occupied after 67. But of course, as is only natural, their long term goal is the complete removal of the Zionist entity, back to pre-48 conditions, ie. no Israel.

Do you honestly expect the Palestinian people to ever yearn for anything less? Are you that deluded by your Zionist revisionist propaganda, that you think they're ever going to accept your imposition in their land?

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 12^th, 2010 at 10:27am:


FACT;
The term, 'Palestinian' people, is a fabrication, it is a propaganda lie.
The 'Palestinian' people do not exist, as an entity.
And in recent history, i.e. prior to 1967, the 'Palestinian' people did not exist.


On a day in 1967, Arab Jordanian moslem occupants of Judea and Samaria, went to bed as Jordanians, and the next day they woke up as 'Palestinians'.
Jordanians lost 'their land' of Judea and Samaria, and East Jerusalem, the land they were occupying, when they, Jordanians, joined forces with surrounding Arab/moslem states, attacked, and unsuccessfully tried to destroy the nascent state of Israel in a war of conquest.


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A 'Palestinian' people???
Were there ever a 'Palestinian' people, in recent history???

If so;
Who was the king or president of pre-1948 Palestine?
What was the Palestinian currency?
What did the Palestinians trade?
What was the capital of Palestine?
Did they have a parliament and government?
What were its boundaries?
Who were its historic allies?
Who were its historic enemies?
What wars did it fight?
Where are the artefacts and which museums house these artefacts?
Who were its great statesmen?

Was one of them Yasser Arafat???
The Nobel peace prize winner???

Google
Arafat died a billionaire

...while his adoring people, live in tents, and ghettos.

Q.
Why do the 'Palestinian' people still exist today, as refugees?

Q.
Why can't the poor 'Palestinian' refugees be absorbed into surrounding moslems states [especially Jordan!] ???

A.
Because the poor 'Palestinian' refugees [SO LONG AS THEY EXIST] are a convenient propaganda weapon, with which to 'stir up' world opinion against Israel, on the world media stage.



The 'Palestinian' people???

The term 'Palestinian' people, is a falsehood, and a stinking crock, which the people of the world, to their shame, have embraced.

Google
All nations will turn against Israel

Yadda yadda yadda, still peddling this revisionist garbage?

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Well no more or less a 'people' than all the other post-Ottoman 'peoples', the Lebanese, Jordanians, Syrians, Egyptians, Saudis, Iraqis etc. What does it mean to be a 'people'? Perhaps you can define that for us Yadda, and then we can take it from there.

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Really? So when they adopted the Palestinian flag as their national symbol in 1964, they must've had pretty good foresight, since they didn't even exist yet for another 3 years. 

Yadda, we're all adults here, not children, enough of the fairytales and ridiculous technicalities. When the British divided the Ottoman lands up, there were people living in all of the lands (spare us the 'land without a people for a people without a land' nonsense) . Those living in what the British called Palestine were called Palestinians from that point on, just as those living in Lebanon were called Lebanese and those living in Iraq were called Iraqis.  Even though the term does predate this anyway, in the literature of Arab nationalists such as the bi-weekly newspaper called "Filasteen" which was published by Greek Orthodox Christian Palestinian nationalists in Jaffa from way back in 1911, even during Ottoman times, and in fact if we want to go way back into Arab history, in the early years of Islamic rule, it was called 'Jund Filasteen' for a period. But it's all irrelevant anyway. I couldn't give a crap about the name, it's the people. The Arabs/Muslims who were living there when the British and Zionists arrived have been expelled, that's all that's relevant here. You can spew out all the crap you like, but it doesn't alter this basic fact.

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The 'Jordanian' identity was created after the Palestinian one, so that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Anyway... moving along.

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Thank you. That says it all.

Nascent, meaning it didn't previously exist there, meaning it was an imposition, an invasion, an unwanted intrusion into someone elses land.

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Ok, I'm going to just assume you're bit slow here.

Prior to the British invasion the entire Middle East was part of the Islamic Caliphate. The "King" was called sultan Muhammad Reshad, the Prime Minister (Grand Wazir), not President, was called Ahmed İzzet Pasha.

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*raises hand* I know I know, Palestinian pound.



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Have a read of this if you're sincerely interested in reading about commerce in Palestine in the late Ottoman period. (also I suspect you are not).

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The regional capital during the Ottoman period? al-Quds.of course, as it was during the British occupation period as well.

Anyway I'm tiring... I think you get it. And if you don't, not much more I can do for you.

Good post Yadda.
Unfortunately, the Jordanians aren't interested in allowing the Palestinians out of their 'camps' to settle in Jordan as citizens, primarily because their are so many of them.
And after tearing up all the dual Palestinian / Jordanian passports recently only demonstrates further that the Jordanians don't want a bar of the Palestinians.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 9:54am:



Jordanians and 'Palestinians' are ethnically, the same people.

Nothing will prevent, or turn away, what is coming upon the heads, of those people who refer to themselves, as 'Palestinians' [and Jordanians].
They are choosing their own fate.
Just as, in this life, each of us does.




"...Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:
Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.
....And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.
Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.
Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.
As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD."
Ezekiel 35


"...Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me,"

"Allah Akbar!", literally means, 'Allah is greater'
...greater, than the God of Israel, is the implication.



In the context of Ezekiel 35,

Idumea = = Edom = = Jordan = = 'Palestinians'


Psalms 83:4
They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 12^th, 2010 at 10:27am:


If we are going to return to a more romantic era what about 'to the victor go the spoils?' Isn't Israel entitled to keep the real estate secured by fighting?

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:12am:



Been there, done that Abu.
Thousands upon thousands of their bones still lie in the desert along with the thousands of burnt out twisted tanks and aircraft from the 4 wars of their making which they all magnificently lost along with more land.
And Israel came out stronger after every single war.
The genie is out of the bottle Abu, and it won't go back in.
Israel is going nowhere.