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Re: Yep, The Coalition Is Dividing Over Environment
Reply #15 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:15pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:11pm:

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Well it's good that they're going to allow high country cattle grazing again....

"they're" .... as in Baillieu ?

Baillieu has been told, in no uncertain terms, that the beef industry ban from the Alpine National Park is maintained under FEDERAL legislation
It is out of his jurisdiction

GRAZING in Victoria's Alpine National Park could put the federal and Victorian governments at loggerheads.

Federal Environment Minister Tony Burke has warned the Victorian Government he will have the final say on the re-introduction of cattle to the park.

Victoria's new Coalition Government has promised cattlemen they will regain access to the park, after being locked out by the former Labor Government in 2005.

Mountain Cattlemen's Association of Victoria spokesman Chris Commins said members were itching to go back into the park.

"We'd be ready at a moment's notice," Mr Commins said. "We're waiting on the State Government."

But Victorian National Parks Association spokesman Phil Ingamells said the State Government was required under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act to gain Federal Government approval before allowing cattle back in.

The EPBC Act prohibits activities "with a significant impact on a National Heritage Place".

The Victorian Alpine National Park is one of eleven national parks and nature reserves registered on the National Heritage List in 2008.

Mr Burke said the Federal Government was committed to protecting and properly managing places on the National Heritage List.

"Any activity likely to have a significant impact on a place protected under national environment law, such as a National Heritage place, must be submitted to the Federal Environment Department to see whether federal assessment is needed," Mr Burke said

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2010/12/08/269861_latest-news.html

Well no problem then, the Vic govs request should pass with no worries, since cattle grazing has a positive, not negative, impact on the environment...

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Re: Yep, The Coalition Is Dividing Over Environment
Reply #16 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:34pm

"Wild horses spread weeds....I doubt a grain or hay feed horse does much more to spread weeds than cattle or sheep do... "

By my understanding, 180 degrees wrong.

Wild horses eat wild grasses and defecate wild grass seeds. Domesticated horses eat feed in a barn situation, and then travel 20 kms into a park and crap out the seeds. If you want alfalfa in your national parks, domesticated horses will do it for you.

Herbivores eat and crap where they are standing - unless you are going to move them 20 kms in a day, they aren't the problem.

But my point is about people who can't obey the rules, and ride onto other peoples land, even though they're told (by sign) not to.

Drop rubbish, string rope between trees so they can tie the horses up and so on and so on.

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Re: Yep, The Coalition Is Dividing Over Environment
Reply #17 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 3:16pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:15pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 2:11pm:

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Well it's good that they're going to allow high country cattle grazing again....

"they're" .... as in Baillieu ?

Baillieu has been told, in no uncertain terms, that the beef industry ban from the Alpine National Park is maintained under FEDERAL legislation
It is out of his jurisdiction

GRAZING in Victoria's Alpine National Park could put the federal and Victorian governments at loggerheads.

Federal Environment Minister Tony Burke has warned the Victorian Government he will have the final say on the re-introduction of cattle to the park.

Victoria's new Coalition Government has promised cattlemen they will regain access to the park, after being locked out by the former Labor Government in 2005.

Mountain Cattlemen's Association of Victoria spokesman Chris Commins said members were itching to go back into the park.

"We'd be ready at a moment's notice," Mr Commins said. "We're waiting on the State Government."

But Victorian National Parks Association spokesman Phil Ingamells said the State Government was required under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act to gain Federal Government approval before allowing cattle back in.

The EPBC Act prohibits activities "with a significant impact on a National Heritage Place".

The Victorian Alpine National Park is one of eleven national parks and nature reserves registered on the National Heritage List in 2008.

Mr Burke said the Federal Government was committed to protecting and properly managing places on the National Heritage List.

"Any activity likely to have a significant impact on a place protected under national environment law, such as a National Heritage place, must be submitted to the Federal Environment Department to see whether federal assessment is needed," Mr Burke said

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2010/12/08/269861_latest-news.html

Well no problem then, the Vic govs request should pass with no worries, since cattle grazing has a positive, not negative, impact on the environment...

Cattle are NON-native CLOVEN footed animals
Unlike Australia's PADDED footed INDIGENOUS fauna - they do ENORMOUS damage to native grasses

And the "fire prevention" ?

When they can develope a species of cattle that eats dry bark, leaves and fallen branches - as opposed to lush green grass - they might have a point

This policy is about winning seats back in the country - that have been lost to Labor

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Re: Yep, The Coalition Is Dividing Over Environment
Reply #18 - Dec 13^th, 2010 at 7:54pm

Please delete wrote on Dec 13^th, 2010 at 1:52pm:

What feral animals and noxious weeds? None in my area.

And horses SPREAD weeds.

National Parks are notorious breeding grounds for wild pigs, feral cats, foxes, and noxious weeds. Private property owners are held responsible for noxious weed control, but National Parks do stuff all.

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Reply #19 - Dec 14^th, 2010 at 9:17pm

What absolute lunacy to allow cattle grazing in the Alpine National Park.

Grazing does NOTHING to stop bushfires since the grazing is done above the tree line.

What grazing does do is damage the high country. If any of you have visited it before the cattle ban you would have seen streams trampled into a quagmire by cattle hooves and large amounts of cow dung soaking in the water. Not to mention rare Australian Alpine flora being destroyed.

Less than 1% of Australia is classified as Alpine. Surely we should be protecting it from the damage caused by cattle.

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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: Yep, The Coalition Is Dividing Over Environment Reply #20 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 4:02am The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 14^th, 2010 at 9:17pm: Grazing does NOTHING to stop bushfires since the grazing is done above the tree line. How do the cattle get above the tree line to graze?
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Re: Yep, The Coalition Is Dividing Over Environment
Reply #21 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 6:14am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 14^th, 2010 at 9:17pm:

What absolute lunacy to allow cattle grazing in the Alpine National Park.

Grazing does NOTHING to stop bushfires since the grazing is done above the tree line.

What grazing does do is damage the high country. If any of you have visited it before the cattle ban you would have seen streams trampled into a quagmire by cattle hooves and large amounts of cow dung soaking in the water. Not to mention rare Australian Alpine flora being destroyed.

Less than 1% of Australia is classified as Alpine. Surely we should be protecting it from the damage caused by cattle.

Do cows eat the shoots of seedling native plants ... so stunting regrowth, similar to rabbits?

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14169 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Yep, The Coalition Is Dividing Over Environment Reply #22 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 10:45am Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 4:02am: The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 14^th, 2010 at 9:17pm: Grazing does NOTHING to stop bushfires since the grazing is done above the tree line. How do the cattle get above the tree line to graze? The ALTITUDE tree-line, you NONG
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Re: Yep, The Coalition Is Dividing Over Environment
Reply #23 - Dec 15^th, 2010 at 5:57pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 10:45am:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 15^th, 2010 at 4:02am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 14^th, 2010 at 9:17pm:

Grazing does NOTHING to stop bushfires since the grazing is done above the tree line.

How do the cattle get above the tree line to graze?

The ALTITUDE tree-line, you NONG

LMAO, that is too funny.
Buzz, I fear that your answer is still too complicated for Anne/Mellie.

The "tree line" is the altitude on a mountain at which trees no longer grow. In Victoria it is above about 1800m. Above this level only native grasses and shrubs grow. This is where the cattle used to be taken for their summer grazing.

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