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Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:38am
 
Actually, he didn't even goto this extent in what he said. Funny how when a Muslim makes statements like this, it causes a furore for years to come, yet when these women say this, it's barely even noticed...



'Floozies' to blame in AFL sexual assaults, say women

Jon Pierik
September 19, 2010


A NEW study into women's attitudes towards sexual misconduct in the AFL has found women don't always blame footballers for creating trouble.

More than 80 women, all AFL supporters or club members, were interviewed for the study, which found that women's reactions to allegations of sexual assault ranged from disgust, to blaming the victim, to suggestions that sexually aggressive women target footballers.

The study was sparked by allegations of sexual assault against AFL players in 2004.
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In the past year the AFL has dealt with allegations of rape against former St Kilda player Andrew Lovett and of sexual assault against Brisbane's Brendan Fevola, as well as investigated the relationship two Saints players had with a Melbourne schoolgirl who became pregnant.

The study's co-author, Deakin University's Dr Peter Mewett, said three general responses dominated when discussing sexual misconduct.

''One response, as you might expect, is utter disgust. That is usually accompanied by: 'It could never happen at my club,' '' he said.

The second response was: ''If only the victims were a bit more sensible and realised what could go on, they wouldn't find themselves in those sorts of situations,'' Dr Mewett said.

The third response was: ''If you get - and some of them used this terminology - a young floozie flashing her boobs at these guys, then what do you expect them to do? Again, it's victim-blaming kind of stuff.''

That position was highlighted in a response from one woman who said: ''I know this sounds terrible, the girls are the ones that put themselves in a position. They are the ones that are flirting all over them and then the guys go 'Ah, OK' and at the end of the night just go home with them because they are like 'Ah' whatever, she's just there.''

Dr Mewett said predatory women, or ''groupies'', who set out to ''get another notch on the belt'' could find themselves in danger when a player wanted more than they had expected.

Another woman recounted a scene in a nightclub. ''Girls ran at them [players] - literally - like they've sat down at their seats and these girls just appeared out of nowhere and started dancing basically right on their laps … like full-on in there not giving them any space. When you see that happening, you see what they [players] have to deal with.''

One woman said: ''One of my sister's friends, she lived with this girl who would only sleep with AFL footballers and she has had some of the largest names - which I won't mention, obviously - who were married.''

However, other women said footballers were the aggressors, acting ''cocky'' to women and thinking ''they were god's gift'' in expecting casual sex. If that did not eventuate, verbal or physical abuse could occur.

''I've got hit on by nearly every single one of them and I tell you what, they don't like no for an answer at all,'' said one woman.

The state government and the AFL will produce a DVD for footballers about issues relating to violence against women.

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Re: Aussie women agree wth Sheikh Taj
Reply #1 - Dec 15th, 2010 at 9:46am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Dec 15th, 2010 at 7:38am:
Actually, he didn't even goto this extent in what he said. Funny how when a Muslim makes statements like this, it causes a furore for years to come, yet when these women say this, it's barely even noticed...



'Floozies' to blame in AFL sexual assaults, say women

Jon Pierik
September 19, 2010


A NEW study into women's attitudes towards sexual misconduct in the AFL has found women don't always blame footballers for creating trouble.




It wasn't noticed Abu because the story doesn't really say very much.
In fact, a new study 'finding women don't always blame the footballer' says nothing at all.
It's a dud rubber Abu.
But the Sheik's comments at the time were downright insulting.
That's the difference. Smiley
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Re: Aussie women agree wth Sheikh Taj
Reply #2 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 4:19pm
 
Maybe Abu wants women to all wear burkas ?

Is a pre-requiste in Islam,as the men are unable to control themselves.

With this sportsman thing that girls have, neither side are the innocent party
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Reply #3 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 8:10pm
 
I agree with Abu. On the morality scale, this sheik is definitely up there with the groupie scrubbers, just like all good Islamic clerics.
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Reply #4 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 8:46pm
 
It appears you didn't read it fd (as usual), but just added your 1 cent worth (that simply can't be counted as 2 cents) anyway.

The Sheikh's sentiments have been echoed by average women who were surveyed, not by the footy groupies.
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More than 80 women, all AFL supporters or club members, were interviewed


Good to know you are so in touch with what women want Abu....
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Reply #6 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 10:06pm
 
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More than 80 women, all AFL supporters or club members, were interviewed


By posting that, are you attempting to assert that all female supporters/members are "groupie scrubbers"?

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Good to know you are so in touch with what women want Abu...


I think I'd be much more in touch than you fd. Regardless that's got nothing to do with this thread. It's about women holding pretty much the same view that everyone went troppo over when Sheikh Taj expressed it... My guess is a lot of Aussies would probably agree with it, but won't admit it.
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Reply #7 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 2:30pm
 
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I think I'd be much more in touch than you fd. Regardless that's got nothing to do with this thread.


I suspected you didn't actually care what women want.
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Reply #8 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 6:53am
 
Abu, if you had any concern at all for the interests of women, you would have realised that this was not about whether they agreed with the Sheik. There is a big difference between what he said and what these women said. You seem to share his blindness to that difference. It is the inability or simple unwillingness of so many Muslims to make that distinction that triggered the public outcry.
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Reply #9 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 7:20am
 
Nope, they said much the same thing. The woman is sometimes responsible for provoking and encouraging these incidents due to their shameless and debaucherous behaviour.

I don't think it's because he's a Muslim though that he's been singled out (although it's probably made the witchhunt more severe), it's because he's a he. It's fine for a woman to say this kind of stuff, but not a male. Kinda like blacks being able to use the word black person I guess.
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Reply #10 - Dec 25th, 2010 at 6:35pm
 
OK Abu, please point out where these women equated a woman walking down the street without her tent on with predatory sexual behaviour?
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Reply #11 - Dec 25th, 2010 at 6:37pm
 
Just as soon as you point out where Sheikh Taj did.

Both of them have suggested that women acting provocatively, alluring and seductively can increase the likelihood of them being subject to sexual assaults... are either of them really all that wrong? All PC stuff aside?
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Reply #12 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 12:04pm
 
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When you see that happening, you see what they [players] have to deal with.''


Poor them.

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women acting provocatively, alluring and seductively can increase the likelihood of them being subject to sexual assaults... are either of them really all that wrong? All PC stuff aside?


Rape has very little to do with women acting provocatively, but rather  about power and forced submission. I've read about pedophiles who see children as provocative.



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Reply #13 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 2:29pm
 
Annie,

Welcome back btw.

I am not saying that dressing seductively warrants rape (of course not!!!), but it sure doesn't do much to avoid it. The simple fact is that a woman dressing in a short skirt and crop top with cleavage busting out all over your face is much more likely to arouse the instincts in men than one who wears a long sleeve jumper and loose pants.

It's just common sense.

Just like leaving a diamond ring laying on the footpath is not a great way to avoid it being stolen. Doesn't justify the thief stealing it, but it isn't the best way to protect your diamond ring, is it? I still think the thief should be punished, just as the rapist should be, seductive dressing/behaviour should in no way diminish their responsiblity for their crime (this is the trumped up charge that was levelled at Sheikh Taj).
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Reply #14 - Dec 27th, 2010 at 2:37pm
 
What rubbish. !!

It's called controlling yourself and if you can't - then do something about it

Saying a woman asks for it. makes them not better than an animal who knows no better.

Those days are gone in this society, so if you don't like it go elswhere and put chastity belts on you MEN
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