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Reply #45 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 4:59pm
 
What do you mean?? the L5 colony was an idea in the 1970's...
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Reply #46 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 5:31pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 4:59pm:
What do you mean?? the L5 colony was an idea in the 1970's...


Who wrote that?
Gizmo - you should use the quote icon.
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Reply #47 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 6:19pm
 
Channel 7 tonight - a must see.
Journey to the Edge of the Universe
10:30pm - 11:30pm

In a stunning, scientific and visually spectacular journey, venture from the Earth's surface
to the outermost reaches of the universe on a grand tour of the cosmos.
Explore newborn stars, distant planets, black holes and beyond.

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Reply #48 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 9:16pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 5:31pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 4:59pm:
What do you mean?? the L5 colony was an idea in the 1970's...


Who wrote that?
Gizmo - you should use the quote icon.


What, about the L5 colony?
Don't need to use the 'qoute' icon..it was fairly common knowledge, back in the day...and had many famous people involved...

http://www.nss.org/settlement/L5news/1986-spacepolicy.htm

There was theoretical launch system that was being discussed and tested in the 1950's called Project Orion that may have made it possible to build the habitat on Earth and launch it as a unit into orbit....

Basically, you build the space station on top of a BIG metal dish and then set off atomic bombs under the dish....no payload worries....the only down side is you can't go back to the launch site for 5000 years...LOL...

And before you say anything...YES it was a real Project.

http://www.islandone.org/Propulsion/ProjectOrion.html
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Reply #49 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 9:19pm
 
Gizmo - watch the show on TV & see the real stuff.
It's on now.
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Reply #50 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 9:21pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 4:27pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 1:39pm:
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 12:11pm:
I don't think humanity will get to find, let alone live on another 'life-bearing' world/planetoid ...until we get our shi t sorted here.

Look around, we can't even 'live' on this planet.


We don't really need to move to 'another life-bearing world or planetoid' or even to another habitable world outside the Solar System yet..

We have the technical knowledge, right now, to build orbital habitats or moon colonies, or even a martian colony.....what we lack is the comitment and money to build them...



No we don't.
We are still working on it.
It's hard enough just keeping a few people alive on the ISS
& they are only in low orbit.

What would be interesting is if the ISS could be propelled into space to orbit Mars.
We'd have a space station ready to go.


No bobby, in terms of engineering sklills and hydroponics technology, we could build a viable moonbase today. The only hang up is the trip to the moon, which can be over come by an orbit departure from the ISS
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Reply #51 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 10:32pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 9:21pm:
No bobby, in terms of engineering sklills and hydroponics technology, we could build a viable moonbase today. The only hang up is the trip to the moon, which can be over come by an orbit departure from the ISS


If you mean orbiting the moon with a permanent space station, forget it. It's enough trouble maintaining orbit around the Earth. Low Lunar Orbits can be very unstable.
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Reply #52 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 11:36pm
 
How can you pedistal a guy like Einstein who only used 10% of his brain capacity, which was entirely just Maths, to be the 'right direction' to follow. If anything, most of his Theories (not answers) were stolen from when he worked in a Patent Office and lets face it - it takes a smart person to make a job of all that.

I think Art would be more of an 'answer' to the problem, than anything Mathematical, let alone Scientific.
I guess its all about understanding 'this' world and how the 'combinations' work. Wink
One better connection is that Art and Astronomy are 'visual' things.
...so if we can project an image of light into a lounge-room,
then I'm sure we can project an image of light 4.2 light years away.
Now I wonder ...would that beam of light be strong enough to carry something substantial?

Embarrassed sorry, I'm drifting away with the fairies, even if they do have 'wings'. Wink
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Reply #53 - Dec 21st, 2010 at 6:56am
 
Itanimulli wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 10:32pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 9:21pm:
No bobby, in terms of engineering sklills and hydroponics technology, we could build a viable moonbase today. The only hang up is the trip to the moon, which can be over come by an orbit departure from the ISS


If you mean orbiting the moon with a permanent space station, forget it. It's enough trouble maintaining orbit around the Earth. Low Lunar Orbits can be very unstable.


No, I mean a base or colony on the lunar surface itself..
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Reply #54 - Dec 21st, 2010 at 8:15am
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Dec 20th, 2010 at 11:36pm:
How can you pedistal a guy like Einstein who only used 10% of his brain capacity, which was entirely just Maths, to be the 'right direction' to follow. If anything, most of his Theories (not answers) were stolen from when he worked in a Patent Office and lets face it - it takes a smart person to make a job of all that.

I think Art would be more of an 'answer' to the problem, than anything Mathematical, let alone Scientific.
I guess its all about understanding 'this' world and how the 'combinations' work. Wink
One better connection is that Art and Astronomy are 'visual' things.
...so if we can project an image of light into a lounge-room,
then I'm sure we can project an image of light 4.2 light years away.
Now I wonder ...would that beam of light be strong enough to carry something substantial?

Embarrassed sorry, I'm drifting away with the fairies, even if they do have 'wings'. Wink


Yes you are  Wink

Those claims that he stole the ideas have been shown to be false according to studies by the Max Planck Institute of Berlin.

There were a number of researchers working on relativity at the time. They all compared notes, and cited one another as researchers do today.

Here is a reasonably good summary of the various accusations:
http://www.2ubh.com/features/Einstein.html

The summary:

Quote:
here's also a thriving set of more or less cranky claims that Einstein was, at best, misguided; and, at worst, a deliberate fraud. So why is Einstein such an attractive target? Stachel has identified three general reasons.

The first is anti-semitism. Many of Einstein's early critics in Germany were allied with the then-dominant Nazi party, including Nobel prize winner Johannes Stark. Some modern anti-Einstein theorists continue to quote these early critics without mentioning their political interest in promoting more "Aryan" physicists over the Jewish liberal Einstein.

In recent decades, some feminist critics have picked on Einstein in an attempt to show women are under-represented in the history of science. "On the human aspect there's much criticism to be made of Einstein's attitude to a number of women in his life, and Mileva Maric in particular, but that doesn't mean the ideas came from her or she was a great scientist," Stachel says.

Finally, there's simple iconoclasm. The physics community, in promoting Einstein as a kind of secular saint, has to take some of the blame. "Too much of an idol was made of Einstein," Stachel says. "He's not an idol – he's a human, and that's much more interesting."
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Reply #55 - Dec 21st, 2010 at 12:21pm
 
Good quote Muso ...the last paragraph highlights the 'god-like' backlash the name Einstein has recently been given. Two wrongs not making a right?

None the less - I think Maths provides only 10% the answers.
I don't think the answer to crossing space will be due to Mathematic equations, etc.
I think something better than that will emerge ...possibly via Art.
(Leonard Nimoy "Strange, but true" Wink Grin)
Yeah - I think the Art industry will provide the ultimate answer.

Why does 'light' move so fast?
What particle allows for such fast movement?
Can that particle be harnessed like a saddle to a horse?
Can that particle (beam of light) move a load greater than itself?
etc...etc.
4.2 years for travel is pretty quick.
I reckon thats the easy bit.
Building a protective shield to stop little flecks from pulverising the capsule is another thing altogether.
Maybe the Ned Kelly family can come up with that. Australia seems pretty good on 'defensive' measures ...look at the Shark Shield for starters.
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Reply #56 - Dec 21st, 2010 at 2:38pm
 
So you think it might be possible to 'paint' or 'sculpt' a starship that can break lightspeed??? Rather than build one using engineering and science?
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Reply #57 - Dec 21st, 2010 at 6:03pm
 
Nah, I'm not talking that cliche northern hemisphere 'meaningless' art.
More something that comes from the southern hemisphere, stays away from traditional methods and archaic Archibald competitions - something more computerised and modern, besides making a fortune developing Pokies fro dimwits.

I've just been told that Artists are now being employed to develop a 'future' for farming properties via computer software etc. I guess they are putting forth simulations?

...like I said "Art - because its a 'visual' thing too, like Astronomy." Thats all. Seems like a better connection than what Maths is offering.

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Reply #58 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 10:42pm
 
Just think -
while we are having Xmas - Voyager 1 continues towards interstellar space.

Long after you're dead & humans have become extinct it will still be out there
on it's long journey.
Maybe some alien life form will find it one day & it could be the only
proof that we ever existed - except Voyager 2.

This is a very significant mission.
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Reply #59 - Dec 25th, 2010 at 3:22pm
 
Maybe it'll fall through a wormhole and land on a planet of intelligent machines, and return to Earth in a huge spaceship built by the machines on the planet, so it can return here and complete it's mission?????
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