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Reply #60 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:34pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:22pm:

Maybe it'll fall through a wormhole and land on a planet of intelligent machines, and return to Earth in a huge spaceship built by the machines on the planet, so it can return here and complete it's mission?????

Gizmo - you've been watching that Star Trek movie. Grin

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103110 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Voyager spacecraft nears exit of solar system Reply #62 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:42pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:37pm: LOL what gave me away????? ( of course it means you've seen it too)... I watched Star Trek when I was a kid - & even when I was a big kid I watched the movies - LOL
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Voyager spacecraft nears exit of solar system Reply #63 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:52pm Me too..... I even bought the Klingon Language tapes and Dictionary..... ooops...did I say that out loud?????
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103110 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Voyager spacecraft nears exit of solar system Reply #64 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:58pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:52pm: Me too..... I even bought the Klingon Language tapes and Dictionary..... ooops...did I say that out loud????? I didn't go that far - but I did watch Lost in Space with that character Dr Smith - who made me laugh. - ohh the pain - the pain.
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Re: Voyager spacecraft nears exit of solar system
Reply #65 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 4:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:52pm:

Me too.....

I even bought the Klingon Language tapes and Dictionary.....

ooops...did I say that out loud?????

I didn't go that far - but I did watch Lost in Space with
that character Dr Smith - who made me laugh.
- ohh the pain - the pain.

Yeah, didn't they stuff that character, between the pilot and the later eps...

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Re: Voyager spacecraft nears exit of solar system
Reply #66 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 10:23pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 4:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:52pm:

Me too.....

I even bought the Klingon Language tapes and Dictionary.....

ooops...did I say that out loud?????

I didn't go that far - but I did watch Lost in Space with
that character Dr Smith - who made me laugh.
- ohh the pain - the pain.

Yeah, didn't they stuff that character, between the pilot and the later eps...

No - Dr Smith made the show funny but he also had every imaginable negative human trait.

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Re: Voyager spacecraft nears exit of solar system
Reply #67 - Dec 26^th, 2010 at 5:22am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 10:23pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 4:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 3:52pm:

Me too.....

I even bought the Klingon Language tapes and Dictionary.....

ooops...did I say that out loud?????

I didn't go that far - but I did watch Lost in Space with
that character Dr Smith - who made me laugh.
- ohh the pain - the pain.

Yeah, didn't they stuff that character, between the pilot and the later eps...

No - Dr Smith made the show funny but he also had every imaginable negative human trait.

Yeah, that's what i mean.....He started out as a superspy/saboteur and ended up as a bumbling idiot...

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Re: Voyager spacecraft nears exit of solar system
Reply #68 - Dec 26^th, 2010 at 12:36pm

Yeah Roddy McDowell did the same type of Character in the strange series "Fantastic Journey". Then there was the Timelord known as the "Master" who always put a spanner in the works of Dr Who.

Anyway,

I think the significance of the Voyagers is immense and will always be of importance. They should never be forgotten or neglected until such time we are able to pass them by in Space and Time.

I personally think we will be replaced by Robots anyway as the new 'evolved' species ...I mean, we 'evolved' from the Animal Kingdom, so why Androids, Robots, etc can't "evolve" from us is beyond me?
Lets face it - we are feeding experiences into its mind via the Net even as we sip our cuppa right now. And look at the people whose lives depend upon technology ...they all look somewhat "Austistic" in their behaviours - the most common being they just sit and stare most of the time. They remind me of 'domesticated' animals to us. Domesticated people to machines.

I don't fear this future (as Asimov put it best) - I welcome such hope.
If we can't go any further ...then at least something from this world can ...and we haven't anihilated the planet like a guy who says to a girl "If I can't have you - nobody will" as he draws the knife across her throat.

Although my world belongs below the waves, down into the deep, dark, cold abyss within us all. I still find interest, admiration and fascination with what the Space Program achieves and my hat (mask) goes off to the USA for providing humanity with such a dream to take us onwards.

...now if only Africa got its shi t together regarding Solar Power and Land Farming to take the world forward - as well as Banking and Mathematics.
If only Samerica took us forward Military wise and the protection of Animals in the name of Conservation

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Re: Voyager spacecraft nears exit of solar system
Reply #69 - Dec 26^th, 2010 at 1:03pm

Yes Jas - as I wrote:

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Just think -
while we are having Xmas - Voyager 1 continues towards interstellar space.

Long after you're dead & humans have become extinct it will still be out there
on it's long journey.
Maybe some alien life form will find it one day & it could be the only
proof that we ever existed - except Voyager 2.

This is a very significant mission.

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Reply #70 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:08am

Then they trace the Voyagers back to Ocean-Earth and come to the realisation that the Voyagers were as good as it got because Humanity is no more and the planet left is just an empty husk of a shell sustaining just basic life forms.
Having annihilated, over-populated, and poisened the planet beyond capacity to cope to a level of positive percentage quality.

Kinda sad really.
To see this planet dissapear like Easter Island.

...this is why I can't wait for the Androids, Robots and other 'thinking' and 'evolving' machines to come onto the scene - just like Asimov's novels.
As one older-model Replicant (android) said to another later-model (unaware) Replicant ...

Lets face it - the movie Earthlings (warning: has much animal cruelty)
states that there is 3 things
Nature
Animals
Humanity

...I think we need a 4th to save our sorry butts.
Robots.
...thinking Robots.

At the moment we only have Robots in Nippon (Japan) that are designed as young school girls for obvious reasons that leaves the American blow-up version somewhat deflated. Roll Eyes

Oh well, now we know why the Nip population is declining. Grin

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Re: Voyager spacecraft nears exit of solar system
Reply #71 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 7:15am

Jas.
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this is why I can't wait for the Androids, Robots and other 'thinking' and 'evolving' machines to come onto the scene - just like Asimov's novels.

If we can ever make robots more agile & smarter than us then
maybe they will conquer the universe.
At least they don't die if they are without air for 1 minute.
Take a way their power & they still don't die -
they just fire up again when electricity is added.
Certainly they are far more robust than us.

In some ways we have to make such an Android or robot to
go out & search - at least our solar system.
The Mars rovers are too primitive.
We need robots that look like us - with 2 legs, 2 hands, 2 eyes &
an electronic brain that can work original situations out.

We tend to underestimate how amazing we are. e.g.
We talk about 10 mega pixel cameras -
our eyes are equivalent to about 80 megapixels & we see in 3D.
Nature has had billions of years to perfect our designs.
We are still in the very early stages & have only had about 40 years
with transistor electronics / integrated circuits.

Another thing - we are self repairing - machines are not.
If one wire breaks the whole machine can fail.
I am always amazed that I can get a cut on my finger &
2 weeks later I can't even see where the cut was!
Machines will never be that good!

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Re: Voyager spacecraft nears exit of solar system
Reply #72 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 7:42am

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Dec 26^th, 2010 at 12:36pm:

And look at the people whose lives depend upon technology ...they all look somewhat "Austistic" in their behaviours - the most common being they just sit and stare most of the time. They remind me of 'domesticated' animals to us. Domesticated people to machines.

I just love your perspective. Sometimes you come up with gems like that out of the blue. That's what we all need to do - pick up society and examine at it from all angles - not just one.

Way to go. Grin

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Reply #73 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 10:57am

Thanks Muso - yeah, I skipped University and headed into the Libraries at an early age (mind you, who wouldn't if raised in the likes of Mt Druitt) - to get a real education ...well, an education for what there is 'to know' rather than what is already 'known' by the Uni's.

Movie 'Earthlings'
"Nature, Animals, Humans" ...and Robots?

...but I tend to think the 'circle is complete' (to quote Darth Vader) for Robots would need 'nature' ...to add 'life' in regards to their 'purpose'.
?

I think 'Robotics/Androidism' is here to stay. I don't think we will be taken over like some Terminator film "military mainframe" and annihilated ...unless the people were "bad people" who did not conform to the domesticated servitude to the leadership of Androids. Wink

Who knows - maybe the most perfect Android in human form who can think just as fast as the Internet as a whole, who doesn't bleed to death or get cancer, who can 'repair' itself and 'up-date' itself
...will be wanting to be known as
_________________________________GOD.

Grin

ok God - get to work and create 'Nature' then. Grin

Anyway,
I think the USA will always be proud of the Voyagers and what they have done, for their part, upon providing a better life for us all.

...what can we Australians offer?
Now that is the question. Huh

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Voyager spacecraft nears exit of solar system Reply #74 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 12:26pm Jas, have you ever read a sci-fi story called "With Folded Hands" by Jack Williamson???? It might be worth your time....
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