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Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign
Reply #150 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:09pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 1:30pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 1:27pm:

codswal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 1:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 12:57pm:

I do not recall Bolt calling on the previous Lib'n PM to resign when he had ordered the illegal invasion of a couintry by mistake, he got half the reasons wrong and lied to support the other half.

good try dnare... NO AUSTRALIAN LOST HIS/HER LIFE IN IRAQ... DUE TO ENEMY FIRE.... .

No,
Just 100,000 plus civilian men, women and children
due to "friendly fire"

And the one ADF personel suicide

And the 5,000 plus US defence personel - a figure higher than
the combined 9/11 fatalities

(and it eventuated that IRAQ had no involvement)

Iraq had attacked its neighbours (unprovoked) to both the east and the south.
It fired missiles on an innocent third country.
It gassed its own people.
It starved the Shias.
It murdered thousands of Kurds.
It threatened our developed world energy supply.
It gave harbour to terrorists.

All of the above make the invasion and corresponding unfortunate civilian casualty toll the right thing to do.

I supported the invasion of Iraq then - and I support it to this day.

Replace "It" with "Hussein and his cronies". You can't blame the entirety of the people of Iraq for such things, especially considering it's a totalitarian regime where the people have to obey.

If Gillard can be blamed for the people who died in the boast tragedy, then Bolt can be blamed for the deaths of innocents in Iraq.
Bolt's reasoning of casting blame onto Gillard who was 100 times removed from the incident can equally be applied to Bolt's support for the war in Iraq.

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Reply #151 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:11pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 12:57pm:

I do not recall Bolt calling on the previous Lib'n PM to resign when he had ordered the illegal invasion of a couintry by mistake, he got half the reasons wrong and lied to support the other half.

Did he, or was he lied to???

Yes there weren't any 'WMDs' in Iraq, and Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.....but outside of washington, how many actually KNEW that for a fact when the 'Coalition of the Willing' land in Iraq????

I don't mean the suspicions of people...I mean absolute hard facts....

Even conspiracy theorist didn't doubt the Iraq invasion until 6-12 months AFTER....

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Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign
Reply #152 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:11pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 1:30pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 1:27pm:

codswal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 1:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 12:57pm:

I do not recall Bolt calling on the previous Lib'n PM to resign when he had ordered the illegal invasion of a couintry by mistake, he got half the reasons wrong and lied to support the other half.

good try dnare... NO AUSTRALIAN LOST HIS/HER LIFE IN IRAQ... DUE TO ENEMY FIRE.... .

No,
Just 100,000 plus civilian men, women and children
due to "friendly fire"

And the one ADF personel suicide

And the 5,000 plus US defence personel - a figure higher than
the combined 9/11 fatalities

(and it eventuated that IRAQ had no involvement)

Iraq had attacked its neighbours (unprovoked) to both the east and the south.
It fired missiles on an innocent third country.
It gassed its own people.
It starved the Shias.
It murdered thousands of Kurds.
It threatened our developed world energy supply.
It gave harbour to terrorists.

All of the above make the invasion and corresponding unfortunate civilian casualty toll the right thing to do.

I supported the invasion of Iraq then - and I support it to this day.

Everything right there Andrei EXCEPT point 6.
Iraq gave no succour to terrorists as we perceive them.
Yes they helped the Palistinians but whether they are terrorists is open to much debate.
But as for religious extremists Saddam was better at killing them than all western countries put together.
Powerful Mullahs = reduced power for Saddam
something he would not stand.
Point 6 is a Bush/Cheney lie (proven) to get public support to invade Iraq.

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Reply #153 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:15pm

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Iraq had attacked its neighbours (unprovoked) to both the east and the south.
It fired missiles on an innocent third country.
It gassed its own people.
It starved the Shias.
It murdered thousands of Kurds.
It threatened our developed world energy supply.
It gave harbour to terrorists.

Not one of these were given as a reason for the illegal invasion, neither the USA, UK or Australian governments were willing to take action about that stuff some of which is untrue.

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Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign
Reply #154 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:17pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 1:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 12:57pm:

I do not recall Bolt calling on the previous Lib'n PM to resign when he had ordered the illegal invasion of a couintry by mistake, he got half the reasons wrong and lied to support the other half.

That would take honesty and intellectual integrity, neither of which Bolt possesses.

and the backstabbing gillard does.. ha.ha. pardon my mirth..

but keep raving about a journo if it helps you forget about the assassin in black.

you know the one.. she who never says anything worthwhile, and never does anything worthwhile. talk about a fake.having made so many slips in the past. she cant turn a light globe on without permission from the factions.,"Lost in Space"

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Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign
Reply #155 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:27pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 1:30pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 1:27pm:

codswal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 1:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 12:57pm:

I do not recall Bolt calling on the previous Lib'n PM to resign when he had ordered the illegal invasion of a couintry by mistake, he got half the reasons wrong and lied to support the other half.

good try dnare... NO AUSTRALIAN LOST HIS/HER LIFE IN IRAQ... DUE TO ENEMY FIRE.... .

No,
Just 100,000 plus civilian men, women and children
due to "friendly fire"

And the one ADF personel suicide

And the 5,000 plus US defence personel - a figure higher than
the combined 9/11 fatalities

(and it eventuated that IRAQ had no involvement)

Iraq had attacked its neighbours (unprovoked) to both the east and the south.
It fired missiles on an innocent third country.
It gassed its own people.
It starved the Shias.
It murdered thousands of Kurds.
It threatened our developed world energy supply.
It gave harbour to terrorists.

All of the above make the invasion and corresponding unfortunate civilian casualty toll the right thing to do.

I supported the invasion of Iraq then - and I support it to this day.

I'll have to disagree Andrei...
I support the invasion of Afghanistan...but not Iraq, Iraq was NOT involved in any way with the WTC attack...

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Reply #156 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:30pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:15pm:

Quote:

Iraq had attacked its neighbours (unprovoked) to both the east and the south.
It fired missiles on an innocent third country.
It gassed its own people.
It starved the Shias.
It murdered thousands of Kurds.
It threatened our developed world energy supply.
It gave harbour to terrorists.

Not one of these were given as a reason for the illegal invasion, neither the USA, UK or Australian governments were willing to take action about that stuff some of which is untrue.

Absolutely!

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Reply #157 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:34pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 1:27pm:

[q link=1292478829/135#139 date=1292555811]Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 12:57pm:

I do not recall Bolt calling on the previous Lib'n PM to resign when he had ordered the illegal invasion of a couintry by mistake, he got half the reasons wrong and lied to support the other half.

good try dnare... NO AUSTRALIAN LOST HIS/HER LIFE IN IRAQ... DUE TO ENEMY FIRE.... .

No,
Just 100,000 plus civilian men, women and children
due to "friendly fire"

And the one ADF personel suicide

And the 5,000 plus US defence personel - a figure higher than
the combined 9/11 fatalities

(and it eventuated that IRAQ had no involvement)i
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SO NOWHOWARD WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FRIENDLY FIRE...

YOU WANT TO BLAME HIM FOR EVERYTHING EVEN A YOUNG MANS SUICIDE/ACCIDENTAL DEATH. MY GOD!!!!!

more people have died in Iraq due to insurgents but dont let that get in the way of Howard bashing..America everyone! would have been out of there years ago if it wasnt for them.

YET YOU WONT BLAME RUDD/GILLARD FOR ALL THE DEATHS ON THEIR WATCH WILL YOU?????..

in fact you have bent over backwards to get them off the hook over

THE 4 YOUNG MEN DYING IN ROOF CAVITIES.

the govt had not a thing to do with it according to you even though they were they only ones with the power to stop the program.

and what about this boat happening 30 people dead and counting...

do you honestly expect anyone on here to believe you wouldnt hold the Libs responsible if this was their idea/policy!!!

like I said to dnare this is about DEATH people dying.. in this case 30 so far on a missguided mission...

but like your messiah who managed to get the PEOPLE OVERBOARD in her first half adozen words on this topic..

the desperate always have to bring up the past as if that makes everything OK>>...

so if the Libs bring in a program/policy and peoiple die... thats alright isnt it now?????

what a way to think.

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Reply #158 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:40pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:15pm:

Quote:

Iraq had attacked its neighbours (unprovoked) to both the east and the south.
It fired missiles on an innocent third country.
It gassed its own people.
It starved the Shias.
It murdered thousands of Kurds.
It threatened our developed world energy supply.
It gave harbour to terrorists.

Not one of these were given as a reason for the illegal invasion, neither the USA, UK or Australian governments were willing to take action about that stuff some of which is untrue.

what happened to Kuwait.????

but its good to see you admit it was a terrible regime, most lefties paint Saddam insane as a martyr.

he did a lot of genocide, but I am not so sure one country can attack another over that.the man was mad so its good to see you admit that.

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign Reply #161 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:55pm When are YOU joining up, hicks? Or are you going to start talking about your grandfather shooting some darkies again?
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Reply #162 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 3:04pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:54pm:

Left wingers traditionally are anti-war.

Right back to 1939 there were Left wingers campaigning for appeasement.

I wish, sometimes, they had some backbone and were in favour of going and kicking ass.

I am willing to consider kicking butt if required.

But I do not like to be lied to in order to give that support.

We went in because of WMD's, there were none end of story.

Our PM told us that he had personally seen definitive proof which he could not share with us - that proof never existed.

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Reply #163 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 3:17pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:11pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 12:57pm:

I do not recall Bolt calling on the previous Lib'n PM to resign when he had ordered the illegal invasion of a couintry by mistake, he got half the reasons wrong and lied to support the other half.

Did he, or was he lied to???

Yes there weren't any 'WMDs' in Iraq, and Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.....but outside of washington, how many actually KNEW that for a fact when the 'Coalition of the Willing' land in Iraq????

I don't mean the suspicions of people...I mean absolute hard facts....

Even conspiracy theorist didn't doubt the Iraq invasion until 6-12 months AFTER....

Its a good point. HINDSIGHT is wonderful, but given Husseins behaviour to his own people, was it in fact a wrong thing to do? People and countries often do the right thing for the wrong reasons. Doesnt chaneg that was 'right'.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #164 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 3:20pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 3:04pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 2:54pm:

Left wingers traditionally are anti-war.

Right back to 1939 there were Left wingers campaigning for appeasement.

I wish, sometimes, they had some backbone and were in favour of going and kicking ass.

I am willing to consider kicking butt if required.

But I do not like to be lied to in order to give that support.

We went in because of WMD's, there were none end of story.

Our PM told us that he had personally seen definitive proof which he could not share with us - that proof never existed.

American pacifists in WW2 refused to accept that Hitler was mistreating jews. that was their main reason for not wanting to get involved in the war. There was no definite proof at the time. remember how that worked out?

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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