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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59404 Here Gender:	Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign Reply #210 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:14pm codswal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:48pm: he is a journo telling it how he sees it http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp Does he meet the criteria?
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Reply #211 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:21pm

codswal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:48pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:29pm:

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 6:33pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 6:30pm:

What's the outrage? A journalist is calling for a politician to resign. Sooo??

Because the lefties know that Andrew Bolt is correct.

If "outrage" is the measure of being incorrect, then Bolt would never be correct. His whole site is a plethora of "outrage" against whatever group happens to have his goat at a particular time - Gillard/Rudd/Labor/leftists/Greens/Mulism/immigrants/refugees/blacks.

now who is the pot calling the kettle black????

he is a journo telling it how he sees it..what are your claims to fame. when you claim he is against all those groups..

as for being incorrect, he, as is the truth with most journos has far better insight into what goes on behind closed doors than the likes of you or I would have. just because you dont like what you read.. doesnt mean it isnt correct.

And most importantly, we each have a right to an opinion, bear in mind, this was afterall published on Bolts rather opinionated blog...why should he resign for having expressed his opinion on his own blog?

This is what opinion blogs are for... 'Opinion'.

I would have thought that being such a staunch advocate of free speech, our Bob Brown would have refrained from commenting with respects to his own rather awkward and opinionated incident in parliament when Bush visited last.

Ok for some to have 'opinions' recall Gillards baseless accusations when accusing Assange of committing crimes, re-Wikileaks, but not all Australians?

It's become apparent that all this government does is target jurnos and bully media corps publishing anything which exposes their governments indiscretions.

Good to see democracy is alive and well in this country, and that many Australians aren't about to cower to a wayward dominatrix government that's lost far more than it's way it seems.

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Reply #212 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:22pm

codswal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:48pm:

he is a journo telling it how he sees it..what are your claims to fame. when you claim he is against all those groups..

as for being incorrect, he, as is the truth with most journos has far better insight into what goes on behind closed doors than the likes of you or I would have. just because you don't like what you read.. doesn't mean it isn't correct.

Andrew Bolt might be a lot of things. A journalist certainly ISN'T one of them.

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Reply #213 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:23pm

codswal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 4:52pm:

...even though kevin was privy to the war council and gave his blessing as the said shadow Foreign Minister,

Kevie did not have access to the Australian inteligence assesments at that time when they were clearly stating that they did not know if WMD's existed or not.

He only had access to the then PM's statments that he had proof that they did and the inference that this position was supported by Australian inteligence, which it was not.

Fact is that the official Labor position was to not support an illegal invasion.

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Reply #214 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:26pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 8:23pm:

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:11pm:

I tell you what's a whacky thought... that someone might be neither left, or right, but would instead choose to make a judgment on each issue as that issue arises.

And that for those who do happen to fit snugly within those pre-defined political labels, their personalities and characteristics might actually vary greatly.

Unfortunately, that is simply beyond most, as is evident from this, and other, internet sites.

Partisan politics eh.

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Reply #215 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:30pm

Andrew Bolt (born 26 September 1959) is an Australian newspaper columnist and radio commentator whose views are generally conservative. Bolt is a columnist and associate editor of the Melbourne-based Herald Sun. He also writes for Brisbane's Sunday Mail and makes regular appearances on the Nine Network, Melbourne Talk Radio, ABC Television, and local radio. In 2005, Bolt released a compilation of newspaper columns in a book titled The Best of Andrew Bolt - Still Not Sorry.

In May 2005, Bolt established a web-only forum in which readers could offer comments, feedback and questions in response to his columns. He posted some of these comments, together with brief responses, in the late afternoon of every business day, on the Herald Sun website. Despite its low-budget format, the forum was a pioneering experiment in Internet-aided "interactive journalism".

Bolt's forum changed to a more conventional blog format in July 2006. The blog covers a wide variety of topics, including climate change, Australian politics, the ABC and issues concerned with multiculturalism and Islam. Comments are open but are moderated to remove defamation, obscenities and so on. Bolt states that abusive commenters will be banned, but opposing voices will not. In late 2009, Bolt temporarily restricted comments to one "readers' tips" post per day.

Bolt's blog registered one million hits for the month of July 2008 and "more than 2 million page impressions from more than 300,000 unique browsers" for November 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bolt

Love him or hate him, he's an Aussie icon and pioneer of interactive, albeit alternative journalism.

I find him refreshing.

I don't agree with all his views, but hey, that's what makes us individuals.

Still, I admire his work.

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Reply #216 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:31pm

It is not possible for a journalist to publish thousands of articles in support of one political party and critical of another.

anyone in that position is only usefull in terms of preaching to the choir.

After decades of delivering biased right wing propoganda it is ensured that there would be no credability outside the brainwashed brain dead few.

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Reply #217 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:33pm

mellie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:30pm:

In May 2005, Bolt established a web-only forum in which readers could offer comments, feedback and questions in response to his columns. He posted some of these comments, together with brief responses, in the late afternoon of every business day, on the Herald Sun website. Despite its low-budget format, the forum was a pioneering experiment in Internet-aided "interactive journalism".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Bolt

Love him or hate him, he's an Aussie icon and pioneer of alternative journalism.

I don't agree with all his views, but hey, that's what makes us individuals.
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WOW! Bolt gave people a forum within which to respond to his blogs, allowing him to 'interact' with them.

That hadn't been done prior to 2005, not like Bolt managed to do it.

He really is a "pioneer of alternative journalism " Roll Eyes

Oh yeah, he's not a journalist.

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Reply #218 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:38pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:23pm:

codswal wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 4:52pm:

...even though kevin was privy to the war council and gave his blessing as the said shadow Foreign Minister,

Kevie did not have access to the Australian inteligence assesments at that time when they were clearly stating that they did not know if WMD's existed or not.

He only had access to the then PM's statments that he had proof that they did and the inference that this position was supported by Australian inteligence, which it was not.

Fact is that the official Labor position was to not support an illegal invasion.

If China knew, how come Rudd didn't?

And what does this say about a PM whereby other nations leaders know more about it's nations intelligence than he does his own?

The leaks commenced back in 2006, he knew fine well what was in them. They all did.

Wiki acquired much of the leaks by syphoning Chinas feed.

Ironic hu.

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Reply #219 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:47pm

mellie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:30pm:

In May 2005, Bolt established a web-only forum in which readers could offer comments, feedback and questions in response to his columns. He posted some of these comments, together with brief responses, in the late afternoon of every business day, on the Herald Sun website. Despite its low-budget format, the forum was a pioneering experiment in Internet-aided "interactive journalism".

I wonder if it was similar to the position today where anyone is welcome - as long as they agree with his opinions it appears,
About 97% of posts are from his admirers looking to lick his toes clean.

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Reply #220 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:54pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:47pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 9:30pm:

In May 2005, Bolt established a web-only forum in which readers could offer comments, feedback and questions in response to his columns. He posted some of these comments, together with brief responses, in the late afternoon of every business day, on the Herald Sun website. Despite its low-budget format, the forum was a pioneering experiment in Internet-aided "interactive journalism".

I wonder if it was similar to the position today where anyone is welcome - as long as they agree with his opinions it appears,
About 97% of posts are from his admirers looking to lick his toes clean.

Well, given it's Australia's most visited blog, I think he's doing ok...people either agree or disagree, but they keep coming back, and why?

Because allot of what he writes is on the mark...if a little jaded in places.

.... But it's effective and the message gets out there.

He writes what your more conventional jurnos wouldn't dare compromise their careers with... understandable, but the truth is what it is, take it or leave it.

It's only his opinion of course...and last I checked, visiting his blog wasn't compulsory.

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Reply #221 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 10:00pm

Are you suggesting someone should be sacked for expressing an opinion?

And if this is the case, then Julia Gillard should well and truly be sacked for expressing hers, especially considering hers was more of a baseless slanderous public announcement than an opinion afterall re- her Julian Assange commentary.

I guess we all have our opinions, it seems, our Gillard has indeed set the national standard, if not taken it to a whole new level.

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Now look who's eating their words...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/17/3096454.htm

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Reply #222 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 10:26pm

Prime Minister Julia Gillard is under renewed pressure over her initial response to the WikiLeaks controversy.

At one stage Ms Gillard labelled the actions of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange "illegal". It was later downgraded to "grossly irresponsible".

But today at a press conference in Sydney there was a slightly different tone after an investigation by the Australian Federal Police.

"The Government believed it was appropriate to refer the matter to the Australian Federal Police. We've done that now. We've received the advice and the advice is that there have been no breaches of Australian law," Ms Gillard said.

Ms Gillard says she only meant it was against the law to steal classified cables, not release them as the whistleblower website has done in recent weeks.

But Acting Opposition Leader Julie Bishop says Ms Gillard should admit she went beyond that.

"There is no room here for the Prime Minister to weasel out of it," she said.

Ms Bishop says Ms Gillard's comments were irresponsible.

"She is a lawyer. She well knows about the presumption of innocence," she said.

Greens Senator Scott Ludlam says Ms Gillard must formally retract her comments.

"There's just some really important principles, not just fundamental legal principles, but obviously this gentleman has legal rights that should respected," he said.

"I think it's very, very awkward for the Prime Minister and the Attorney-General to be rushing to judgment before any charges have even been brought in relation to these matters."

Mr Assange, who is wanted for questioning on sexual assault charges in Sweden, was freed on bail by the High Court in London overnight.

He is now at a friend's country house in Suffolk, where he must live until the start of his extradition hearing on February 7.

Mr Assange has denied the Swedish charges against him and his legal team have said they are worried about the possibility of him being extradited to face possible espionage charges in the US.

He thanked his supporters and said the release of classified US cables would continue.

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Reply #223 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 10:26pm

You give a conservative like Bolt a well-reasoned (and/or amusing and witty) argument and he will respect you and will concede that you are either reasonable and/or good company worth passing the time of day with).

Give a progressive 'man of the people' a similarly well reasoned and elegant view not in harmony with his own categoirical imperatives and he will denounce you as a rightard lickspittle agent of the 'ruling class'.

A good-natured 'progressive' who can reason and has some wit is immediately eyed with suspicion by his comrades as a revisionist, quite likely a traitor.

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Reply #224 - Dec 17^th, 2010 at 10:47pm

"the foundation stone of this WikiLeaks issue is an illegal act"-Gillard

Also...

Ms Gillard told Fairfax Radio she was receiving briefings on the Australian security officials' assessment of the documents.

"They are assessing the implications for us, so we will work through that," Gillard said.

"I absolutely condemn the placement of this information on the WikiLeaks website - it's a grossly irresponsible thing to do and an illegal thing to do."-Gillard

If it's an illegal thing to do, then surely law/s were broken, if this is the case, which ones?

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