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Reply #315 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:20pm

There are, however, a number of legitimate options for applying for residence in Australia AFTER you leave Iraq or Afghanistan, none of which involve 'people smugglers'...

Sorry Jaykaye,but once a person or family have managed to leave their country, any embassy that has an Australian mission wil accept applications for refugee status in Australia , which DOES include Indonesia and Malaysia...as well as a number of countries between Iraq/Afghanistan and Indonesia...

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Reply #316 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:29pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:20pm:

There are, however, a number of legitimate options for applying for residence in Australia AFTER you leave Iraq or Afghanistan, none of which involve 'people smugglers'...

Sorry Jaykaye,but once a person or family have managed to leave their country, any embassy that has an Australian mission wil accept applications for refugee status in Australia , which DOES include Indonesia and Malaysia...as well as a number of countries between Iraq/Afghanistan and Indonesia...

I think you're overestimating their patience (or quiet simply, their willingness to wait in unknown conditions) and means.

I mean, there's a huge discrepancy between what they're told to do, what presents itself as the best option, and what they should do.

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Reply #317 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:42pm

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:10pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:04pm:

Yes, there've been more 'applications' for refugee status since the conflicts began....but how many have been 'sneak over the border illegally' and how many 'through channels'???

Because THAT is what the boats are..."sneak in under the radar", not legitimate requests...

There are no legitimate channels if one wants to leave Iraq and/or Afghanistan.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no supporter of the ALP approach to supposedly illegal immigration, I just think the fervor with which some are approaching this, and the manner in which they are necessarily attributing blame, is a tad off balance.

Statements such as those above i.e. "If the previous governments policy was not diluted, this tragedy would have been avoided", really are borderline ridiculous and do no justice to the actual complexities of the issue.

Do you find the thought that had only one boat only arrived this year as opposed to hundreds, then this tragedy would have been avoided too difficult a concept to understand then.
You really don't have to add complexity where their is none I'm afraid.
Because we have come from the high water mark of 1 boat arrival in a year, 5 detainees on Nauru with closed down detention centres on the Mainland.
The problem was Solved! Gone! History!
No more protests, sewing of lips nor the wailing of asylum seekers about being locked up for months because THEIR taxpayer funded lawyers have launched yet ANOTHER appeal because they didn't like the courts determination the last time around but they still have the balls to protest because of THEIR actions.
And how far have we sunk because of this governments gross incompetence, and you talk about complexities.

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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Reply #318 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:45pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:15pm:

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Because the smugglers will continue to choose Australia as their destination of choice whilst we have a weak government in.

If your assertion were correct why do Europe and the USA and Canada have so many more refugees than Australia? under your logic the whole western world is governed by weak government?

If Australia was invaded, the whingers would be the first ones out of here trying to get to a "safe" country, and I'd bet they wouldn't stop at PNG, that being our closest neighbour.

Because the USA & Europe accept more refugees than we do is why they have more.

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Reply #319 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:48pm

Jaykaye_09 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:20pm:

There are, however, a number of legitimate options for applying for residence in Australia AFTER you leave Iraq or Afghanistan, none of which involve 'people smugglers'...

Sorry Jaykaye,but once a person or family have managed to leave their country, any embassy that has an Australian mission wil accept applications for refugee status in Australia , which DOES include Indonesia and Malaysia...as well as a number of countries between Iraq/Afghanistan and Indonesia...

I think you're overestimating their patience (or quiet simply, their willingness to wait in unknown conditions) and means.

I mean, there's a huge discrepancy between what they're told to do, what presents itself as the best option, and what they should do.

Perhaps I am, but there is still a choice between obeying the rules, and breaking the rules..

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Reply #320 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:49pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:15pm:

i'ld doubt a 10 year mandatory sentence would stop crims.

fly the illegal boat people back to where they came back the same day they arrive.
that'ld stop the customers coming to the crims.

make landing illegally in auss a bad thing.

Well sure as hell a two year stint eating three square meals a day, free Pay TV, gymnasium, Internet and free English lessons isn't doing it.
Some of these boats crews are back here for a second stint according to a 60 minutes report early last year.
The people interviewed stated that our justice system provided no deterrent.

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Reply #321 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:58pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:45pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:15pm:

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Because the smugglers will continue to choose Australia as their destination of choice whilst we have a weak government in.

If your assertion were correct why do Europe and the USA and Canada have so many more refugees than Australia? under your logic the whole western world is governed by weak government?

If Australia was invaded, the whingers would be the first ones out of here trying to get to a "safe" country, and I'd bet they wouldn't stop at PNG, that being our closest neighbour.

Because the USA & Europe accept more refugees than we do is why they have more.

Why is that? why do we accept so few?

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Reply #322 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:07pm

So they're effectively not responsible for what they do?
Wrong, they must take responsibility for their actions.
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so time what do you think we australia should do about criminals in other peoples countries?????...

aka the people smugglers...we agree these people have a lot to answer for..no! I am not in agreement they are the soul responsibility for this tragedy. but I am at a loss as to see what on earth we a s a country can do about them... we are paying Indonesia huge sums some disguised. as education funding.. and so forth...but in fact it is supposed to put a stop to this business once and for all..

so tell me if you can what should we be doing???????????????????

as you are very insistent gillard cant do anything.. and by the sound of things shouldnt have too

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Reply #323 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:10pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 11:46am:

codswal wrote on Dec 19^th, 2010 at 7:07am:

he is also on TV quite a bit dnare.. so his opinions must count for something... objectivity... do you really know anyone that is THAT objective?. well to the standards that you believe in anyway.

Nobody is fully objective.

But few show so little objectivity either.

I journalist is meant to by trying to show as balanced a view as possible if they want to maintain that status.

Over a decade of deliberate biased writing fails to meet the required standard in my view.

Its no big deal really but this does undermine credability.

When I read a few of these guys I often identify articals which could easily have been writen critical of Labor before the event
and then tailored to meet the story of the day.

The intent to write something critical of labor is present before the story or event which will make up the story.

With these articles the question is not if the writer is going to critisise Labor today but how is he going to critisise Labor today.

A pretty grubby form of artivcle writing I would say.
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trouble is dnare there

IS SOOOO MUCH ONE CAN CRITISE ABOUT THIS APPALLING GOVT..

it might be grubby from your standing point..lol.. I can understand that... I mean hardly anything they have done has been a raging success has it?

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Reply #324 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:11pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:45pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:15pm:

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Because the smugglers will continue to choose Australia as their destination of choice whilst we have a weak government in.

If your assertion were correct why do Europe and the USA and Canada have so many more refugees than Australia? under your logic the whole western world is governed by weak government?

If Australia was invaded, the whingers would be the first ones out of here trying to get to a "safe" country, and I'd bet they wouldn't stop at PNG, that being our closest neighbour.

Because the USA & Europe accept more refugees than we do is why they have more.

Why is that? why do we accept so few?

How many people do you suppose would love to come to Australia? Two billion? Three billion?

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign Reply #325 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:13pm Why doesn't Australia take its "fair share" of these people, considering our actions in invading their countries are one of the major reasons they need to flee their homes.
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bwood1946 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1598 Gender:	Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign Reply #326 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:16pm skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:13pm: Why doesn't Australia take its "fair share" of these people, considering our actions in invading their countries are one of the major reasons they need to flee their homes.
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Reply #327 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:18pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:13pm:

Why doesn't Australia take its "fair share" of these people, considering our actions in invading their countries are one of the major reasons they need to flee their homes.

Ahhh, so they`re all Iraqi terrorists, or Taliban killers that were displaced by our action against them? That being the case, you needn`t wonder why they`re not wanted here.

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skippy. Gold Member Offline Posts: 20882 Gender:	Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign Reply #328 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:19pm We're a rich country, the international monetary fund has us at 6th in the world per capita, the world bank has us at 9th. Why dont we do our share?
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bwood1946 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1598 Gender:	Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign Reply #329 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:20pm skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:19pm: We're a rich country, the international monetary fund has us at 6th in the world per capita, the world bank has us at 9th. Why dont we do our share?
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