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Reply #345 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:56pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:39pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:33pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:13pm:

Why doesn't Australia take its "fair share" of these people, considering our actions in invading their countries are one of the major reasons they need to flee their homes.

What exactly IS our 'share'??

We take 13,770 per year...how many are we supposed to take per year??

The Department of Immigration website indicates that as at June 26, there were 4116 people in immigration detention. In terms of global rankings, Australia comes in at 68th in terms of refugees per 1000 inhabitants and 77th in terms of refugees per gross domestic product per capita. In real terms, this is 1.1 refugee per 1000 inhabitants and 0.6 refugees per GDP per capita.

Hardly our fair share at 68th in terms of refugees per 1000 inhabitants ,when we are the 6th richest per capita.

And per head of population, NOT by dollars per capita?...

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Reply #346 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 4:38pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:56pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:39pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:33pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:13pm:

Why doesn't Australia take its "fair share" of these people, considering our actions in invading their countries are one of the major reasons they need to flee their homes.

What exactly IS our 'share'??

We take 13,770 per year...how many are we supposed to take per year??

The Department of Immigration website indicates that as at June 26, there were 4116 people in immigration detention. In terms of global rankings, Australia comes in at 68th in terms of refugees per 1000 inhabitants and 77th in terms of refugees per gross domestic product per capita. In real terms, this is 1.1 refugee per 1000 inhabitants and 0.6 refugees per GDP per capita.

Hardly our fair share at 68th in terms of refugees per 1000 inhabitants ,when we are the 6th richest per capita.

And per head of population, NOT by dollars per capita?...

not much better ,we come in at 42nd.

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Immigration Statistics > Refugees (per capita) (most recent) by country
VIEW DATA: Totals    Per capita
Definition    Source Printable version

   Bar Graph    Map

Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount

# 42 Australia: 3.19064 per 1,000 people

#3 plus a baby bump per 1000. 42nd in the world, and most of the countries ahead of us are much poorer.
Kinda kills the idea of refugees trying to hunt out a rich nation.

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Reply #347 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 4:50pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:51pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:40pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:28pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:21pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:13pm:

Why doesn't Australia take its "fair share" of these people, considering our actions in invading their countries are one of the major reasons they need to flee their homes.

There were a lot even before the shooting started in October 2001 in Afghanista and March 2003 in Iraq.
Here's the graph from the Parliament House library:

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/BoatArrivals_002.gif

and your point? we take way less than our fair share compered to Europe and the USA or even Canada, why?
We are the 6th richest nation in the world, per capita,according to the international monetary fund, but come in at 77th in terms of refugees per gross domestic product per capita. In real terms, this is 1.1 refugee per 1000 inhabitants and 0.6 refugees per GDP per capita.

ANd my point? We do not have a 'fair share' of illegal arrivals, we do not have to take any. They are not here as a conseqence of AUstralia's participation in the wars. We have not invaded Sri Lanka or Iran but half the dead off Christmas Island were Iranians.

There is no link between being a rich nation and being a destination for boats. Kuwait, Singapore, Brunai, Japan, the UAE are not taking refugees even though they are richer than us.

International Monetary Fund (2010)[1] World Bank (2009)[2] CIA World Factbook[3]
Rank Country US$
1 Luxembourg 104,390
2 Norway 84,543
3 Qatar[4] 74,422
4 Switzerland 67,074
5 Denmark 55,113
6 Australia 54,869
7 Sweden 47,667

Wrong again ,swallow, none of those countries are richer than Aus per capita.Not according to the international monetary fund.

Don't be autistic with your lists. The point is that there is no link between being a rich nation and being a destination for boats, you little red cock-fantasist devil. Big numbers may meshmerise you but it DOESN'T matter how rich a country is, it does not have to take anybody entering illegally.

BTW, CIA factbook you quote actually shows Australia as the 17th. But the point is that it is irrelevant. By your stupid reckoning, Bermuda, for example, should take a LOT MORE of those boats... Maybe they do, we just never hear from them again.

Rank Country Intl. $ Year
1 Liechtenstein 122,100 2007 est.
2 Qatar 121,700 2009 est.
3 Luxembourg 78,000 2009 est.
— Bermuda 69,900 2004 est.
4 Norway 58,600 2009 est.
— Jersey 57,000 2005 est.
5 Kuwait 54,100 2009 est.
6 Singapore 50,300 2009 est.
7 Brunei 50,100 2009 est.
— Faroe Islands 48,200 2008 est.
8 United States 46,400 2009 est.
9 Andorra 44,900 2008
— Guernsey 44,600 2005
— Cayman Islands 43,800 2004 est.
— Hong Kong 42,700 2009 est.
10 Ireland 42,200 2009 est.
11 United Arab Emirates 42,000 2009 est.
12 San Marino 41,900 2007
13 Switzerland 41,700 2009 est.
14 Iceland 39,600 2009 est.
15 Austria 39,400 2009 est.
16 Netherlands 39,200 2009 est.
17 Australia 38,800 2009 est

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Reply #348 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 4:57pm

I've got a feeling the Japanese don't take in many refugees.

Ethnic groups 98.5% Japanese, 0.5% Korean, 0.4% Chinese, 0.6% other

According to the UNHCR, in 2007 Japan accepted just 41 refugees for resettlement, while the United States took in 50,000

How are those pricks doing these days anyway? I mean without the wonderful enrichment that Sudanese, Pakistanis and Tamils bring, their country must be an absolute MESS. Shocked

I'm so glad our government is looking out for our welfare. I'm always thinking, every single day, that we have an absolutely awful problem with Dubbo. We just don't have enough Somalis in our town! Come to think of it, we don't have enough Cambodians or Guatemalans either. We really need somebody to correct this problem. I'm glad our government is taking the initative.

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Reply #349 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 5:04pm

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 4:50pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:51pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:40pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:28pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:21pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:13pm:

Why doesn't Australia take its "fair share" of these people, considering our actions in invading their countries are one of the major reasons they need to flee their homes.

There were a lot even before the shooting started in October 2001 in Afghanista and March 2003 in Iraq.
Here's the graph from the Parliament House library:

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/BoatArrivals_002.gif

and your point? we take way less than our fair share compered to Europe and the USA or even Canada, why?
We are the 6th richest nation in the world, per capita,according to the international monetary fund, but come in at 77th in terms of refugees per gross domestic product per capita. In real terms, this is 1.1 refugee per 1000 inhabitants and 0.6 refugees per GDP per capita.

ANd my point? We do not have a 'fair share' of illegal arrivals, we do not have to take any. They are not here as a conseqence of AUstralia's participation in the wars. We have not invaded Sri Lanka or Iran but half the dead off Christmas Island were Iranians.

There is no link between being a rich nation and being a destination for boats. Kuwait, Singapore, Brunai, Japan, the UAE are not taking refugees even though they are richer than us.

International Monetary Fund (2010)[1] World Bank (2009)[2] CIA World Factbook[3]
Rank Country US$
1 Luxembourg 104,390
2 Norway 84,543
3 Qatar[4] 74,422
4 Switzerland 67,074
5 Denmark 55,113
6 Australia 54,869
7 Sweden 47,667

Wrong again ,swallow, none of those countries are richer than Aus per capita.Not according to the international monetary fund.

Don't be autistic with your lists. The point is that there is no link between being a rich nation and being a destination for boats, you little red cock-fantasist devil. Big numbers may meshmerise you but it DOESN'T matter how rich a country is, it does not have to take anybody entering illegally.

BTW, CIA factbook you quote actually shows Australia as the 17th. But the point is that it is irrelevant. By your stupid reckoning, Bermuda, for example, should take a LOT MORE of those boats... Maybe they do, we just never hear from them again.

Rank Country Intl. $ Year
1 Liechtenstein 122,100 2007 est.
2 Qatar 121,700 2009 est.
3 Luxembourg 78,000 2009 est.
— Bermuda 69,900 2004 est.
4 Norway 58,600 2009 est.
— Jersey 57,000 2005 est.
5 Kuwait 54,100 2009 est.
6 Singapore 50,300 2009 est.
7 Brunei 50,100 2009 est.
— Faroe Islands 48,200 2008 est.
8 United States 46,400 2009 est.
9 Andorra 44,900 2008
— Guernsey 44,600 2005
— Cayman Islands 43,800 2004 est.
— Hong Kong 42,700 2009 est.
10 Ireland 42,200 2009 est.
11 United Arab Emirates 42,000 2009 est.
12 San Marino 41,900 2007
13 Switzerland 41,700 2009 est.
14 Iceland 39,600 2009 est.
15 Austria 39,400 2009 est.
16 Netherlands 39,200 2009 est.
17 Australia 38,800 2009 est

Wrong again swallow, I was quoting the international monetary fund, but if you want to quote CIA fact book, Aus is 10th on the list of wealth per capita, which is the stat I have been quoting all afternoon, You really need to stop swallowing.

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Reply #351 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 5:51pm

JC Denton wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 5:06pm:

Did the thought ever occur to you that maybe having a small refugee intake is probably a way better thing than having a large one?

one of the things that went through my mind... is what about the countries these folks are leaving... what is going on there..are they becoming empty? or being left to the criminals?. or the armies.. I mean thats a lot of refugees every year leaving.

I am almost sure not too many migrants are pouring into these countries. but this regugee movement, seems to be a growing one getting bigger by the day.. so is anything being done to make it better for these folks to remain in their own countries..instead of begging other countries to take in more and more.wont there be a huge imbalance eventually

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Reply #352 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 8:56pm

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 5:04pm:

the list of wealth per capita, which is the stat I have been quoting all afternoon, You really need to stop swallowing.

Dreaming of d!cks is what you have been spending your afternoon with, as usual. You stopped fantasising just long enough to search Wiki and banged in the fisrt table you found without thinking (no surprise there) or understanding what you were looking at.

Have a look at the statistics, you semi-literate prole. Warning - it's not Wiki and you may have to let go of your d!ck for a little while to scratch your head.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_ppp_percap-economy-gdp-ppp-per-capita

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Reply #353 - Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:19pm

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 8:56pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 5:04pm:

the list of wealth per capita, which is the stat I have been quoting all afternoon, You really need to stop swallowing.

Dreaming of d!cks is what you have been spending your afternoon with, as usual. You stopped fantasising just long enough to search Wiki and banged in the fisrt table you found without thinking (no surprise there) or understanding what you were looking at.

Have a look at the statistics, you semi-literate prole. Warning - it's not Wiki and you may have to let go of your d!ck for a little while to scratch your head.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_ppp_percap-economy-gdp-ppp-per-capita

LOL very good Soren.

Maybe he was trying to "stretch" his point - just a tad.

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Reply #354 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 7:54am

Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 9:19pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 8:56pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 5:04pm:

the list of wealth per capita, which is the stat I have been quoting all afternoon, You really need to stop swallowing.

Dreaming of d!cks is what you have been spending your afternoon with, as usual. You stopped fantasising just long enough to search Wiki and banged in the fisrt table you found without thinking (no surprise there) or understanding what you were looking at.

Have a look at the statistics, you semi-literate prole. Warning - it's not Wiki and you may have to let go of your d!ck for a little while to scratch your head.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_ppp_percap-economy-gdp-ppp-per-capita

LOL very good Soren.

Maybe he was trying to "stretch" his point - just a tad.

Thanks for your input mellie, but I told you I don't do slappers, find someone else to haunt.

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Reply #355 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 7:58am

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 8:56pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 5:04pm:

the list of wealth per capita, which is the stat I have been quoting all afternoon, You really need to stop swallowing.

Dreaming of d!cks is what you have been spending your afternoon with, as usual. You stopped fantasising just long enough to search Wiki and banged in the fisrt table you found without thinking (no surprise there) or understanding what you were looking at.

Have a look at the statistics, you semi-literate prole. Warning - it's not Wiki and you may have to let go of your d!ck for a little while to scratch your head.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_ppp_percap-economy-gdp-ppp-per-capita

Hey thanks for your links swallower, In fact I used nationmaster as my source that shows Australia at 42 on the list I provided for gizmo of refugees per capita. You always were a bit slow though.

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Reply #356 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:20am

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:39pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:33pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:13pm:

Why doesn't Australia take its "fair share" of these people, considering our actions in invading their countries are one of the major reasons they need to flee their homes.

What exactly IS our 'share'??

We take 13,770 per year...how many are we supposed to take per year??

The Department of Immigration website indicates that as at June 26, there were 4116 people in immigration detention. In terms of global rankings, Australia comes in at 68th in terms of refugees per 1000 inhabitants and 77th in terms of refugees per gross domestic product per capita. In real terms, this is 1.1 refugee per 1000 inhabitants and 0.6 refugees per GDP per capita.

Hardly our fair share at 68th in terms of refugees per 1000 inhabitants ,when we are the 6th richest per capita.

The numbers mean little when most countries in our region with the obvious exception of NZ take in zero eh.

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Reply #357 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:27am

Soren wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 8:56pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 5:04pm:

the list of wealth per capita, which is the stat I have been quoting all afternoon, You really need to stop swallowing.

Dreaming of d!cks is what you have been spending your afternoon with, as usual. You stopped fantasising just long enough to search Wiki and banged in the fisrt table you found without thinking (no surprise there) or understanding what you were looking at.

Have a look at the statistics, you semi-literate prole. Warning - it's not Wiki and you may have to let go of your d!ck for a little while to scratch your head.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_ppp_percap-economy-gdp-ppp-per-capita

Yep it`s a dick dreaming Wiki tripper alright. That naughty Andrew Bolt doesn`t publish enough cartoons for the dip shitster either.

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Reply #358 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:31am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:20am:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:39pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:33pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:13pm:

Why doesn't Australia take its "fair share" of these people, considering our actions in invading their countries are one of the major reasons they need to flee their homes.

What exactly IS our 'share'??

We take 13,770 per year...how many are we supposed to take per year??

The Department of Immigration website indicates that as at June 26, there were 4116 people in immigration detention. In terms of global rankings, Australia comes in at 68th in terms of refugees per 1000 inhabitants and 77th in terms of refugees per gross domestic product per capita. In real terms, this is 1.1 refugee per 1000 inhabitants and 0.6 refugees per GDP per capita.

Hardly our fair share at 68th in terms of refugees per 1000 inhabitants ,when we are the 6th richest per capita.

The numbers mean little when most countries in our region with the obvious exception of NZ take in zero eh.

Thats because we are the only country in this region to have promised to protect refugees; we signed the United Nations 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and the 1967 Protocol.
You are a little slow, I explained this to you yesterday.

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Reply #359 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:32am

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:58pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:45pm:

skippy. wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 2:15pm:

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Because the smugglers will continue to choose Australia as their destination of choice whilst we have a weak government in.

If your assertion were correct why do Europe and the USA and Canada have so many more refugees than Australia? under your logic the whole western world is governed by weak government?

If Australia was invaded, the whingers would be the first ones out of here trying to get to a "safe" country, and I'd bet they wouldn't stop at PNG, that being our closest neighbour.

Because the USA & Europe accept more refugees than we do is why they have more.

Why is that? why do we accept so few?

Possibly because flooding our country with 3rd world people isn't in our best interest Skip.
If the government has determined that 13,000 is the magic figure that still allows this nation to grow without placing too much of a burden on our finite resources, then why is this such a bad thing.
Accepting levels that drag our economy down whilst placing intolerable burdens on our health, education, water & housing situations doesn't do any favours for anyone.

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