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Reply #405 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 1:46pm

Soren wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 1:08pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:16am:

Asking Miss Anne Dryst and some others here to acknowledge something like this occured under Howard's watch is beyond them. That would require for them to be honest and use the same criteria and cast blame on Howard.

It happened under Howard's watch while he operated under the policy he inherited from Keating. But then he changed the policy. Any change in the number of deaths atsea?
If people dying at sea while attempting to get here is a BAD THING, then Howard did away with that bad thing. If you do not like the way he did it, the answer is NOT to revert to the policy before the solution but to come up with a different solution.

You can blame Howard for HOW he did it (be a HOWard hater) but you can't blame him for doing away with a BAD THING.

I hope this is not too subtle a distiction for most.

Yet it still occurred under his watch. If those on the boat and the smugglers aren't responsible for their actions under Gillard's watch, niether should they be under Howard's.
I merely apply the logic being used by the anti-Gillard crowd.

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Reply #406 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 5:38pm

Soren wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 1:08pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:16am:

Asking Miss Anne Dryst and some others here to acknowledge something like this occured under Howard's watch is beyond them. That would require for them to be honest and use the same criteria and cast blame on Howard.

It happened under Howard's watch while he operated under the policy he inherited from Keating. But then he changed the policy. Any change in the number of deaths atsea?
If people dying at sea while attempting to get here is a BAD THING, then Howard did away with that bad thing. If you do not like the way he did it, the answer is NOT to revert to the policy before the solution but to come up with a different solution.

You can blame Howard for HOW he did it (be a HOWard hater) but you can't blame him for doing away with a BAD THING.

I hope this is not too subtle a distinction for most.

It probably is Soren.
Some of them really do need to be spoon fed, and even then they just can't accept facts.

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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign Reply #407 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 6:00pm Try to simplify it for them. Howard had Keatings solution and then Howard had to change it. Resulting in the implementation of the Pacific Solution in 2001/02. This resulted in the best solution. Gillard has Rudd's solution. And, this has resulted in over 200 deaths.
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Reply #408 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 6:03pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 7:10am:

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The bodies in the ocean have proved that the GALP's go soft policy is not working.
The GALP trying to be seen as being the gods of goodness have in fact achieved the exact opposite. With more than 200 deaths that we know of

Forget these ?

The SIEV-X incident occurred during the 2001 Australian Federal election campaign. The Tampa affair had focused national media's attention on the issue of asylum seekers. Prime Minister John Howard claimed his policy would prevent people smuggling and stop the boats of asylum seekers from arriving in Australia.

The area was legally international waters but within both Indonesia's EEZ and Indonesia's internationally designated zone of search and rescue responsibility. It also fell inside a temporary Australian border protection surveillance area around the Australian external territory of Christmas Island

Approximately 146 children, 142 women and 65 men died.

You do realise that the Pacific Solution most likely prevented more SIEV X incidents?

Do you know when the Pacific Solution came into force?

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Equitist Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9632 NSW	Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign Reply #409 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 6:10pm Sometimes, Miss A, methinks your style is too creative for you to be a rusted-on right whinger...
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Reply #410 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:33pm

That graph really sums it up in a nutshell, 100os of arrivalls each year pacific solution introduced, minimal arrivals after that, UNTIL Rudd changed it.

As he was told it would lead to an explosion which has occurred, how will they stop it, after all we've been in Afghanistan for 9 years why did they stop coming here you say they come cause we are at war in their country but during the course of the war the arrivals mysteriously stopped during the pacific solution period??? Did the war stop during that time aswell????

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Reply #411 - Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:40pm

laborfornever wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2010 at 8:33pm:

That graph really sums it up in a nutshell, 100os of arrivalls each year pacific solution introduced, minimal arrivals after that, UNTIL Rudd changed it.

As he was told it would lead to an explosion which has occurred, how will they stop it, after all we've been in Afghanistan for 9 years why did they stop coming here you say they come cause we are at war in their country but during the course of the war the arrivals mysteriously stopped during the pacific solution period??? Did the war stop during that time aswell????

Yes, under the Pacific Solution we were getting on average 3 boats per year.
Under Kevin Rudd's & Julia Gillard's go soft open door policy we are getting 3-4 boats per week.

And, still the vocal anit-Pacific Solution advocates are deafening silent about the Christmas Island tragedy.
I wonder why.

How many more people must die before Julia Gillard realises that her policies have failed?

It will take a long time for Julia Gillard to cleanse that blood on her hands.

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Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign
Reply #412 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 2:27pm

mellie wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 5:53pm:

Whilst I don't agree with Andrew Bolt on everything, (particularly his rather off-putting stance re- Wikileaks)...I think he's entitled to an opinion, as should be anyone in this country.

I am pro-Wikileaks, and also pro-Andrew Bolt.

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Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign
Reply #413 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 2:37pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 2:27pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 16^th, 2010 at 5:53pm:

Whilst I don't agree with Andrew Bolt on everything, (particularly his rather off-putting stance re- Wikileaks)...I think he's entitled to an opinion, as should be anyone in this country.

I am pro-Wikileaks, and also pro-Andrew Bolt.

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Politics doesn't have to be black or white.

No one cares what you are!

And FYI Deathisanarse, nobody gives a flying bugger what you are!

joooooooooLIAR resign you ugly cow........ Grin

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Vanessa Senior Member Offline Ranga Rock Chick Posts: 301 Somewhere In The Real World Gender:	Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign Reply #414 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 2:38pm Bolt is a right wing idiot, he is a loser and I can't stand him and nor do I agree with his idiotic opinions. However I like reading his crap, it makes me laugh. He should become a comedian.
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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign Reply #415 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 2:42pm Bolts a truth writer, and a good one at that. Tell me, how many more resignations will Gillard call for? We are starting a bit of a tally board here. She's been in how long again? And already she expects the world to fall at her feet? She can dream on! ....
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Re: Calls for Bolt to resign re call for PM to resign
Reply #416 - Feb 18^th, 2011 at 2:45pm

Vanessa wrote on Feb 18^th, 2011 at 2:38pm:

Bolt is a right wing idiot, he is a loser and I can't stand him and nor do I agree with his idiotic opinions. However I like reading his crap, it makes me laugh.

He should become a comedian.

The "comedians" are already in government..............for the time being!

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