Well it had been one of those wild ride years for Labor, I think this is something we all can agree on.

So what now.

Labor's two internal wings are in a major battle for control of the party. The Right Wing has been in control for so long, yet the rise of The Greens has given power to Labor's left.

What path should Labor take

Lurch to the Right and empower Greens
Lurch to the Left and empower the Neo Cons in the Liberal Party
or the third option, split.

Should a party form from Labor that is close to centre ... those to the right work the small l Liberals ... those to the left, work with the Greens so giving us 3 distinct political groups

Greens and Labor Left
Ex right wing Labor and Ex Liberals (small l)
Neo Cons and Nationals


Labor, same old same old will end up ripping itself apart.
If Labor revolutionises itself by splitting and reforming, the ramifications will likely be the splitting of the Liberals also.

If Labor doesn't, then the death of the party is a real scenario.

greens_lose - the alp is fated, its days are numbered

____ wrote on Dec 17^th, 2010 at 7:15am:

Yes. Centre Unity has been in control for too long. The Terrigals have too much power in NSW. Centre Unity also has too much power within Young Labor up here on the coast. In my opinion, Labor Left should regain control and that all starts in Young Labor. The left had control for YEARS in Young Labor and they had control of the Senior party. When Tripodi and Reba Meagher came a long, they took over control of Young Labor for the right and thus got control of the senior party.
Incorrect, the Left has not got control of the party. Julia is from the left, but her leadership is very unstable. Once the right decide to pull the pin on her leadership, she's gone. As you saw with Rudd. He had no factional allies. He had the backing of the Right members in the caucus and when they decided that he was detrimental to the right's cause, they installed Julia.

You also saw this with Nathan Rees. He had the backing of the right. Once he dumped McDonald and Tripodi, goodbye Rees.

I'm active in YLL and one of the most agreed upon subjects is to get back control and reform the party. This is what needs to happen!

I didn't say the Left controlled the party, I implied the growth in Greens' support has tipped the balance.

The issues being to the fore via The Greens are more inline with Left Labor, not conservative Right Labor.

To be honest, I dont care if the Labor Party or the Coalition are in power, they are carbon copies of each other and both of them are to busy playing politics by pandering to the lowest common denominator instead of governing.
The two best leaders they can find is Gillard and Abbott?..That should tell us how pathetic and broken down they are 

do you train for it or is it a natural skill to be so completely and hopelessly wrong about virutally every political scenario? IM not sure if you are a troll or an idiot. either way your value to serious debate is still zero. 
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longy you should know by now this is woodies little tricks.. if he isnt starting a PANIC..he is pushing people buttons.. dont you remember about 12 months or more ago he was making the same statements about the Libs.. with Turnbull snd Nelson.."" they are falling apart.. goodbye Libs.."".. he a joke but he probably gets his orders from booby..ooops bobby to go out there and STIR.. what else is there for them to do?

Im going to start a "BRING BACK COSTELLO AND KEATING" campaign.
Gillard is just as gutless as Rudd was and Abbott is nuttier than Bob Katter..surely this country deserves better.
Swann is just as gutless as Gillard and I hate to say it but one of my favourite pollies, Joe Hockey should give up being the Shadow Treasurer and take up another gig.
Between both parties they are going to ruin one of our greatest strengths..our banking system. Gee.. when the bubble bursts lets make sure we have a weak banking system! And why? To grab the votes of a few idiots who dont know how to run their own finances.
Costello and Keating were brave enough and smart enough to do the right thing no matter how much political flack they endured through the process.

I reckon Turnbull would be a great asset for the Greens but he is wasted in a Coalition that has burrowed itself so deep up the clacker of the Neo Nationalist movement that it needs a Landcruiser winch to extract itself.
The Coalition should be honest and merge into one party and call themselves the
"Against Everything and Will Say and do Anything for a Whinging Bogan Vote Party"