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We know they hate paying their fair share. So should imports valued under $1K, brought on line, be Goods and Services tax free?


Myer boss critical of online shopping inquiry


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/18/3096821.htm



The chief executive of Myer says the Federal Government's inquiry into the retail sector will take too long to complete.

The Productivity Commission will examine the structure of the industry, including the $1,000 tax-free threshold that applies to goods bought from overseas.

Retailers claim they are struggling to compete against overseas shopping websites as online purchases under $1,000 are tax free.

They say the current GST rules and the strength of the Australian dollar have prompted many consumers to buy goods from international websites, hurting the economy.

But Bernie Brookes says the inquiry will be too slow.

He says the Government must act now to implement the GST on items purchased from overseas based websites.

"There is over $20 billion a year coming into the country that escapes GST," he said.

"That's $2 billion a year in potential income.

"That's unfair to Australian retailers, that's unfair to online Australian sellers and it's not a level playing field."

Consumer watchdog Choice says the retail inquiry needs to focus on more than online shopping.

The body's chief executive officer, Nick Stace, says it should also examine the concentration in the retail sector of players such as Woolworths and Coles.
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Reply #1 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:38am
 
The GST should have been on everything including fresh/ uncooked food, online tranactions are no different.
The question is, why did the Liberal Party support a GST under Howard but not under Keating, who had the courage to argue its benifits a long time ago.
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Reply #2 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 9:04am
 
adelcrow wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:38am:
The GST should have been on everything including fresh/ uncooked food, online tranactions are no different.
The question is, why did the Liberal Party support a GST under Howard but not under Keating, who had the courage to argue its benifits a long time ago.




really??. I remember him wanting an Australian card..[or whatever] but dont recall him wanting a GST.. in fact the Labs were dead set against it when Howard went to the polls..Beazley was going to throw it to the dogs... for 5 minutes.

look I dont understand all the wherefors on  TAX.. woody would be far superior on that topic... however the GST seems to me to be fairer all round.. I know it gets up some noses.. but when the rich can get a boat the size of the harbour bridge and not pay for it..that gets up my nose.so with GST they do have to pay for it.. or at least their business does..

so yes I think I am in favour of GST on online deals..I dont buy on line myself so you could say I am not impartial..lol..

however if I was a business person I think I would be worried about the trend to buying on the net.

how it would work I dont know, as most people I know that do shop onb the net buy from overseas anyway....

and yes this can be doing harm to our economy...but isnt it the same the world over?
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Reply #3 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 10:24am
 
codswal wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 9:04am:
adelcrow wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:38am:
The GST should have been on everything including fresh/ uncooked food, online tranactions are no different.
The question is, why did the Liberal Party support a GST under Howard but not under Keating, who had the courage to argue its benifits a long time ago.




really??. I remember him wanting an Australian card..[or whatever] but dont recall him wanting a GST.. in fact the Labs were dead set against it when Howard went to the polls..Beazley was going to throw it to the dogs... for 5 minutes.

look I dont understand all the wherefors on  TAX.. woody would be far superior on that topic... however the GST seems to me to be fairer all round.. I know it gets up some noses.. but when the rich can get a boat the size of the harbour bridge and not pay for it..that gets up my nose.so with GST they do have to pay for it.. or at least their business does..

so yes I think I am in favour of GST on online deals..I dont buy on line myself so you could say I am not impartial..lol..

however if I was a business person I think I would be worried about the trend to buying on the net.

how it would work I dont know, as most people I know that do shop onb the net buy from overseas anyway....

and yes this can be doing harm to our economy...but isnt it the same the world over?




So you are happy tho squeeze the budget of Australians via higher taxes codswal?


How about a carbon tax on electricity?
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Reply #4 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 10:25am
 
____ wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 10:24am:
codswal wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 9:04am:
adelcrow wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:38am:
The GST should have been on everything including fresh/ uncooked food, online tranactions are no different.
The question is, why did the Liberal Party support a GST under Howard but not under Keating, who had the courage to argue its benifits a long time ago.




really??. I remember him wanting an Australian card..[or whatever] but dont recall him wanting a GST.. in fact the Labs were dead set against it when Howard went to the polls..Beazley was going to throw it to the dogs... for 5 minutes.

look I dont understand all the wherefors on  TAX.. woody would be far superior on that topic... however the GST seems to me to be fairer all round.. I know it gets up some noses.. but when the rich can get a boat the size of the harbour bridge and not pay for it..that gets up my nose.so with GST they do have to pay for it.. or at least their business does..

so yes I think I am in favour of GST on online deals..I dont buy on line myself so you could say I am not impartial..lol..

however if I was a business person I think I would be worried about the trend to buying on the net.

how it would work I dont know, as most people I know that do shop onb the net buy from overseas anyway....

and yes this can be doing harm to our economy...but isnt it the same the world over?




So you are happy tho squeeze the budget of Australians via higher taxes codswal?


How about a carbon tax on dirty electricity?

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Reply #5 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:03pm
 
even if a GST was applied to under $1000 imports, they would still be far cheaper than the retail prices they charge here.


I'll get some examples of what i bought for christmas,

these asics I got free postage on from Amazon ($150AUD when converdted from USD)

http://www.amazon.com/ASICS-Gel-Kayano-Running-Black-Lightning/dp/B003OYJ4CO/ref=sr_1_5?s=shoes&ie=UTF8&qid=1292727634&sr=1-5&searchContext=B002EQAN3M,B0031Y6M8G,B002EQA3OG,B001KYH4E0,B003OYJ4CO,B00290SY0M,B002QGU9MA,B00290PEY6,B002EQ9VOY,B0031Y6MYK,B0031Y6MJ0,B0031Y6OQQ,B002EQ9ZOA,B0032FOES4,B0029LI2WQ,B002QGUE7K,B002EQ9UG8,B0029LI8WK,B0031Y6SI0,B003OYJNF2,B00386GDEK,B0031Y6PSS,B000COYVKE,B003OYIXGW


these are the same shoe from rebel sport  ($260)

http://www.rebelsport.com.au/ecom/rebel/product_detail.aspx?id=35832&cat=
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Reply #6 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:47pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:38am:
The GST should have been on everything including fresh/ uncooked food, online tranactions are no different.
The question is, why did the Liberal Party support a GST under Howard but not under Keating, who had the courage to argue its benifits a long time ago.



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Reply #7 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 2:24pm
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:47pm:
adelcrow wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:38am:
The GST should have been on everything including fresh/ uncooked food, online tranactions are no different.
The question is, why did the Liberal Party support a GST under Howard but not under Keating, who had the courage to argue its benifits a long time ago.



Link?



http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/senate.htm



Between 1996 and 1999, the Howard government needed two votes to pass legislation. First stop was Tasmanian Independent Senator Brian Harradine. The defection of Queensland Labor Senator Mal Colston to the cross benches gave the Howard government a second port of call. On other legislation the Howard government could negotiate with the Australian Democrats. For instance, the government found it easier to negotiate its first changes to industrial relations legislation with the Australian Democrats, the past Labor allegiances of Senators Harradine and Colston making them much less willing participants.

After the 1998 election, the Howard government was set to be in a weaker Senate position from July 1999 when the Australian Democrats recovered the balance of power. After failing to obtain the support of Senators Harradine and Colston to pass its GST tax reform package, the Howard government was forced to negotiate passage with the Australian Democrats. This was passed before the Australian Democrats re-gained the balance of power. (As a side-light, the passage relied on Coalition Senators elected in 1993 when the GST cost John Hewson the election, and in 1996 when the Coalition promised not to bring in a GST.)


As you can see, the conservative Liberals support a Goods and Services Tax on shop goods. Now do they support a level playing field with the internet.

It is hard to predict which way they will flop now days.
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Reply #8 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 3:52pm
 
____ wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:23am:
We know they hate paying their fair share. So should imports valued under $1K, brought on line, be Goods and Services tax free?


Myer boss critical of online shopping inquiry


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/12/18/3096821.htm



The chief executive of Myer says the Federal Government's inquiry into the retail sector will take too long to complete.

The Productivity Commission will examine the structure of the industry, including the $1,000 tax-free threshold that applies to goods bought from overseas.

Retailers claim they are struggling to compete against overseas shopping websites as online purchases under $1,000 are tax free.

They say the current GST rules and the strength of the Australian dollar have prompted many consumers to buy goods from international websites, hurting the economy.

But Bernie Brookes says the inquiry will be too slow.

He says the Government must act now to implement the GST on items purchased from overseas based websites.

"There is over $20 billion a year coming into the country that escapes GST," he said.

"That's $2 billion a year in potential income.

"That's unfair to Australian retailers, that's unfair to online Australian sellers and it's not a level playing field."

Consumer watchdog Choice says the retail inquiry needs to focus on more than online shopping.

The body's chief executive officer, Nick Stace, says it should also examine the concentration in the retail sector of players such as Woolworths and Coles.


How could they possibly collect it, if it's brought in???
GST is paid by the SELLER, and added to the price for the buyer...

How can the Australian Tax Office hope to collect a GST from a retailer working out of his garage in New York City???
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Reply #9 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 5:23pm
 
adelcrow wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:38am:
The GST should have been on everything including fresh/ uncooked food, online tranactions are no different.
The question is, why did the Liberal Party support a GST under Howard but not under Keating, who had the courage to argue its benifits a long time ago.


You mean the 1985 Tax Summit where keating argued for a GST and was rolled by his own cabinet? the Libs would have supported a GST had there actualyl been one to support!  The real question is why a mere 8 years later did Keating campaign AGAINST the libs on the basis of his own preferred policy?  Pure hypocrisy from an acknowledged master of the art!
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Reply #10 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 5:28pm
 
One thing that doesnt seem to get mentioned is that ths $1000 limit is not just for GST. The limit used to be $250 and I once went over it and was charged customs duty, a payment fee and then GST on top of all of them. The impost was nearly 30%. If they want to charge GST they are goign to have to fix that particular problem or all they wil end up is a defacto import tariff - the very thing we have been in the process of dismantling.

And ne commentator was right in that australial retailers have performed poorly in developing their online markets. not every buyer buys overseas purely on prioe. Often it is convenience as no locals offer it online; product choice because it isnt otherwise avaiable in this country or simply because they are marketed far better than the rest.
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Reply #11 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 5:33pm
 
____ wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 10:24am:
codswal wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 9:04am:
adelcrow wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:38am:
The GST should have been on everything including fresh/ uncooked food, online tranactions are no different.
The question is, why did the Liberal Party support a GST under Howard but not under Keating, who had the courage to argue its benifits a long time ago.




really??. I remember him wanting an Australian card..[or whatever] but dont recall him wanting a GST.. in fact the Labs were dead set against it when Howard went to the polls..Beazley was going to throw it to the dogs... for 5 minutes.

look I dont understand all the wherefors on  TAX.. woody would be far superior on that topic... however the GST seems to me to be fairer all round.. I know it gets up some noses.. but when the rich can get a boat the size of the harbour bridge and not pay for it..that gets up my nose.so with GST they do have to pay for it.. or at least their business does..

so yes I think I am in favour of GST on online deals..I dont buy on line myself so you could say I am not impartial..lol..

however if I was a business person I think I would be worried about the trend to buying on the net.

how it would work I dont know, as most people I know that do shop onb the net buy from overseas anyway....

and yes this can be doing harm to our economy...but isnt it the same the world over?




So you are happy tho squeeze the budget of Australians via higher taxes codswal?


How about a carbon tax on electricity?




I look at it this way woody... if I had a little shop paying high rent taxes electricity wages.. all to sell T shirts..doing my bit for the country so to speak...

I would resent very much Mr and Mrs Smith being able to buy the same thing cheaper on the net [probably from a foreign country]. therefore doing absolutely NOTHING for my country...


people are buying anything and everything on the net now.. none of it doing this country a bit of good.. unless you are in the Courier business.

as for the climate change TAX you refer to no you can forget that that is just going to be extortion and will do not a thing to change our weather patterns..its just an excuse to tax us without us being taxed if you get my drift?????.

you may be fooled by all that hogwash but it doesnt fool me sorry.

look you pay it by all means tell them to take double your tax right now to help towards saving gods earth.. I dare you.. ha.ha. it wont happen thats how convinced you are

but keep looking down your nose at all those nonbelievers.. must make you feel 5feet tall.
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I look at it this way woody... if I had a little shop paying high rent taxes electricity wages.. all to sell T shirts..doing my bit for the country so to speak...



A) you  arent really doing it 'for australia'. you are doing it for yourself. And that is fine but dont drag some faux-patriotism into it.

B) competing against imports is standard business for almost ALL companies. almost all of use have to compete either domestically or against imports.
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Reply #13 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 6:24pm
 
codswal wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 5:33pm:
____ wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 10:24am:
codswal wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 9:04am:
adelcrow wrote on Dec 19th, 2010 at 8:38am:
The GST should have been on everything including fresh/ uncooked food, online tranactions are no different.
The question is, why did the Liberal Party support a GST under Howard but not under Keating, who had the courage to argue its benifits a long time ago.




really??. I remember him wanting an Australian card..[or whatever] but dont recall him wanting a GST.. in fact the Labs were dead set against it when Howard went to the polls..Beazley was going to throw it to the dogs... for 5 minutes.

look I dont understand all the wherefors on  TAX.. woody would be far superior on that topic... however the GST seems to me to be fairer all round.. I know it gets up some noses.. but when the rich can get a boat the size of the harbour bridge and not pay for it..that gets up my nose.so with GST they do have to pay for it.. or at least their business does..

so yes I think I am in favour of GST on online deals..I dont buy on line myself so you could say I am not impartial..lol..

however if I was a business person I think I would be worried about the trend to buying on the net.

how it would work I dont know, as most people I know that do shop onb the net buy from overseas anyway....

and yes this can be doing harm to our economy...but isnt it the same the world over?




So you are happy tho squeeze the budget of Australians via higher taxes codswal?


How about a carbon tax on electricity?




I look at it this way woody... if I had a little shop paying high rent taxes electricity wages.. all to sell T shirts..doing my bit for the country so to speak...

I would resent very much Mr and Mrs Smith being able to buy the same thing cheaper on the net [probably from a foreign country]. therefore doing absolutely NOTHING for my country...


people are buying anything and everything on the net now.. none of it doing this country a bit of good.. unless you are in the Courier business.

as for the climate change TAX you refer to no you can forget that that is just going to be extortion and will do not a thing to change our weather patterns..its just an excuse to tax us without us being taxed if you get my drift?????.

you may be fooled by all that hogwash but it doesnt fool me sorry.

look you pay it by all means tell them to take double your tax right now to help towards saving gods earth.. I dare you.. ha.ha. it wont happen thats how convinced you are

but keep looking down your nose at all those nonbelievers.. must make you feel 5feet tall.



The first couple of sentences are a reflection of why you fear life codswal. Rather that expect everything on a platter, sometimes thinking away from the old ways is the path for the future. Rather than peddle the same old same old, to compete in a world market, you lead, rather than follow at the back.

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So why do you fear WORK, you lazy bugger?
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