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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14214 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: NBN viable Reply #30 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 7:45am REPOST... buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 7:30am: Quote: You do realise that the ALP called for CBAs on the Liberal policies before the last election don't you? On what infrastructure ? (verification required) i
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Reply #31 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:09am

alps nbn is more expensive to use, so why would anyone voluntarily change to it ???

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SOME households could be forced to pay more for a basic internet service when they are compulsorily switched over to the $36 billion national broadband network, according to the business plan released yesterday by NBN Co.

The long-awaited plan predicted that households will have to pay between $53 and $58 a month for the most basic entry-level offering - compared with today's ''naked ADSL'' plans that start at about $30.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/price-shock-looms-for-some-on-n...

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Reply #32 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:14am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:09am:

alps nbn is more expensive to use, so why would anyone voluntarily change to it ???

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SOME households could be forced to pay more for a basic internet service when they are compulsorily switched over to the $36 billion national broadband network, according to the business plan released yesterday by NBN Co.

The long-awaited plan predicted that households will have to pay between $53 and $58 a month for the most basic entry-level offering - compared with today's ''naked ADSL'' plans that start at about $30.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/price-shock-looms-for-some-on-n...

Well a lot of people have years to hear the bad reports and OPTOUT

F/OFF CONROY

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: NBN viable Reply #33 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:19am $24 wholesale translates to $58 retail? Talk about "rivers of gold"!
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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14214 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: NBN viable Reply #34 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:26am Please delete wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:19am: $24 wholesale translates to $58 retail? Talk about "rivers of gold"! I was VERY surprised at that I can't see that sort of mark-up being the standard once competition price wars start
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: NBN viable Reply #35 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:46am "I was VERY surprised at that I can't see that sort of mark-up being the standard once competition price wars start" Given that the copper will be replaced, and voice telephony will have to be run over fibre, I wonder what that monthly cost includes - line rental PLUS broadband PLUS voice?
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Reply #36 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 9:00am

If there is such faith in it, why not have the productivity commission do a cost benefit analysis on it.

This is the single largest most expensive new infrstructure project ever undertaken in Australia's history.

As a result, I think a productive commission costs benefit analysis shouldnt only be just done, it should be absolutley vital.

If it comes back with a tick, I will be happy to give it a tick myself. Until then, if the project is so good, what is the problem with having them look at it.

Makes you wonder what are they hiding.

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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: NBN viable Reply #37 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 9:03am "Our wholesale products will support access by multiple RSPs, a range of customer premises equipment (CPE) and will include an interface for analogue telephony." So I'm guessing that line retal comes with the monthly cost. Currently I pay $32 for line rental, plus calls, and $50 for ADSL (not ADSL2+) per month.
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Please delete Gold Member Offline Please delete this smacking PROFILE Posts: 2936	Re: NBN viable Reply #38 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 9:11am BTW Lightning strike in Sydney late last week zapped our fax and PABX - something that would not happen with fibre.
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Re: NBN viable
Reply #39 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 9:12am

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:26am:

Please delete wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 8:19am:

$24 wholesale translates to $58 retail?

Talk about "rivers of gold"!

I was VERY surprised at that
I can't see that sort of mark-up being the standard once competition price wars start

what! competition is that?

I thought thats what this govt didnt want.. if they are ever going to get our money back.. well before the bloody thing wears out at least.

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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: NBN viable Reply #40 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 12:22pm Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 7:00am: And still no Cost Benefit Analysis on the NBN! When will the ALP release the CBA?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: NBN viable Reply #41 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 12:28pm just as soon as they invent it. maybe 11.55 pm new years eve
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Re: NBN viable
Reply #42 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 1:01pm

qikvtec wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Dec 20^th, 2010 at 3:20pm:

Hands up all those who have been involved in a new business. How many of you had a well developed business plan (prob a large number). How many of you had your business run even close to your business plan? (very few).

A business plan stating that it is viable is hardly proof positive. It is after all based on a 70% takeup which is ambitious and probably overly so.

When you consider the international take up rates are mostly less than 20%, you'd have to think 70% is fanciful much less ambitious.

At wholesale prices of $24/mth NBN at 12mb/s is already more expensive than my current offering, which granted generally maxes out at 8mb/s; frankly I think I would hardly notice the extra 4mb/s

You wouldn't notice a 50% increase in speed?

Are you sure?

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Infarction Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 509	Re: NBN viable Reply #43 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 1:03pm buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 7:45am: REPOST... buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 7:30am: Quote: You do realise that the ALP called for CBAs on the Liberal policies before the last election don't you? On what infrastructure ? (verification required) i Seems Miss Anne doesn't want to answer the question.
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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: NBN viable Reply #44 - Dec 21^st, 2010 at 5:54pm Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 12:22pm: Miss Anne Dryst wrote on Dec 21^st, 2010 at 7:00am: And still no Cost Benefit Analysis on the NBN! When will the ALP release the CBA? Has the champagne socialist answered this yet? Or do we have to wait until another bottle is opened.
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