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Reply #585 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 6:15am
 
Even some of their own can see the error of their ways.
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Ian Stewart and Bob Skilton blast St Kilda over nude photo scandal

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/ian-stewart-and-bob-skilton-blast-st-kilda-over-nude-photo-scandal/story-e6frfkvr-1225977594656#ixzz19RGxUYea

ST KILDA'S treatment of a teenage girl who published photos of naked players was heavy-handed, two footy greats have declared.

St Kilda legend Ian Stewart, a triple Brownlow medallist and member of the club's only premiership team, said his beloved Saints should try to help the 17-year-old instead of calling her malicious and a trouble-maker, reported the Herald Sun.

South Melbourne great Bob Skilton, another triple Brownlow winner, said the club had been heavy-handed and should have dealt with the photo issue months ago.

Their remarks came as the teen admitted in an emotional blog that she had made mistakes and needed help.

"Today, after having a big night in the city, I sat at Flinders St station for three hours, crying and reassuring everyone who asked me if I was OK that I was fine. 'I'm always fine, thanks'," she said.

"Eventually jumped on the train and headed back towards Frankston, in (the) hope that my parents would let me back into their lives..

"I ran to my mum and hugged her. Not just hugged her, I mean almost suffocated her - that's how much I wanted her to love me again.

"After pouring my heart out to my mother, apologising for everything that I'd done this year, she cried with me and comforted me. It felt good just to have her arms around me for the first time in a week."

The bitter battle exploded after the girl posted images of nude Saints captain Nick Riewoldt and semi-naked Zac Dawson and Nick Dal Santo, saying it was in revenge against the club and players.

Stewart said it was nonsense to contemplate suing the girl and vow to pursue her for 15 years for damages.

"Obviously it's too severe," Stewart said.

"Maybe the football club is taking itself too seriously ... the girl needs sympathy, compassion and understanding, not this other attitude.

"What does the club turn over - $20 million a year? And they want to sue this girl who has obviously lost her way?

"Have a bit of compassion for the girl."

Swans champion Skilton said common sense should have prevailed when the players first came into contact with the teenager, but suing her for damages was wrong.

"Anything like that (a law suit) would only prolong this. They have far more money than she does," Skilton said.

St Kilda vice-president Ross Levine said it was only when the girl was being sued that she listened to advice.

"A lot of people have been holding up 'wrong way' and 'go back' signs, like her parents and professional counsellors in these four weeks," he said.

"The injunction ... was like holding up a stop sign that she actually focused on.

"She is now in a better position to bring this to an end in everyone's interest."

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/ian-stewart-and-bob-skilton-blast-st-kilda-over-nude-photo-scandal/story-e6frfkvr-1225977594656#ixzz19RHdwqhf
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Re: Immature vengeful St Kilda teen  in court
Reply #586 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 6:15am
 
Amadd wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 8:01pm:
And I suppose Codswal and Pansi were/are great Elvis fans as well?
- which would make them more than just a tad hypocritical.

Yes I assume Steven Milne should've gotten a jail term, but there's no such evidence that any player did anything outside of the law in this case.

The only evidence available is that Duthie is a liar and wants to be famous for being in the news just like her heroins Lara Bingle and Paris Hilton.
And on the subject of "Hilton", wasn't it the Melbourne Hilton that she nominated as the hotel where the pics were taken?
There's 3 of them in Melbourne, take a tour of the rooms.

http://www1.hilton.com/en_US/hi/hotel/MELHITW-Hilton-On-The-Park-Melbourne/accom...

http://www1.hilton.com/en_US/hi/hotel/MELSWHI-Hilton-Melbourne-South-Wharf/accom...

http://www1.hilton.com/en_US/hi/hotel/MELAPHI-Hilton-Melbourne-International-Air...

Nice rooms, but not at all similar to this one:

http://www.limboclub.com/forum/showpost.php?p=448350&postcount=339








have no idea what the referrence is to Elvis I am afraid...not exactly a fan but didnt mind him does that put your tiny mind to rest?

as for hypocracy.. no one that I have read has said this girl didnt lie..

if anyone on here can look themselves in the eye and claim they have never told a lie.. then I would be shocked..

if you read the AFL code of conduct...ok its isnt LAW.. as we call it.. but they do by some degree have a code of honor.and they draw the line for sexual contact at 18.. what the sentence is [if found guilty of sex with a girl under 18] I wouldnt know..

but lets face it..if everything this girl is saying is a lie..WHY is St Kilda making such a fuss and doing everything in its power to shut her up?..

she had a picture of a naked footy player one who posed for this picture. it wasnt illicit.. she lied about taking it for some unknown reason..but that doesnt make everything she says a lie.. and everything the players say gosple... I have taken a look at the google page for badbehaviour of AFL players.. and since the game began the list has got longer and longer and longer.and they are getting away with more and more and worse and worse.even the police are afraid to charge them.  is this right thats all I am saying..Cousins is a good one to talk about lying.everyone knew that he was..but as long as he got on the field it was okay.its the culture of the AFL.. this child is fighting a huge empire.. not just a couple of players.

you worry about a hotel room.. well good luck to you.

I worry about all young women that get taken advantage of by so called "men".who then run and hide behind massive conglomerates like the AFL for protection.

if a girl is raped by one of these gods!!!! she hasnt got a prayer in court has she?
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Reply #587 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 6:47am
 
Equitist wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 8:56pm:
Forget the actions of the troubled teenage girl - it is time to shift the focus of this case back onto the conduct of the professional adult male role models (and their supporters) in relation to her...

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 10:14am:
The Missing Link

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...In one of last week’s blogs I said of a St. Kilda player ‘Why hasn’t he been charged at least with unlawful carnal knowledge or sexual penetration of a child?’

As several people pointed out on Twitter: I was wrong. The current law in Victoria puts the age of consent at 16. In the past it was 16 if the partner was under 18 -- and 18 if the partner was over 21.

So how come a policeman has been charged with sexual penetration of a child and using his position to procure sex with a child? Because he was in a position of authority. Duty of care comes into play.

That second bit is a zinger for the St. Kilda footballers if it were proven that they did meet the 16-year-old at the footy clinic and phone numbers were exchanged.

A good lawyer could prove they were in a position of authority at that school visit if rendezvous plans were made.

Section 48 of the Victorian Crimes Act raises the age of consent to 18 where the child is under the care, supervision or authority of the adult with whom they had sexual intercourse.

S. 48 (1) A person must not take part in an act of sexual penetration with a 16 or 17 year old child to whom he or she is not married and who is under his or her care, supervision or authority.

Penalty:  Level 5 imprisonment (10 years maximum).

This is why it is imperative for the St Kilda players’ defence that they first met the girl weeks later after the game in Sydney.

The Sunday Age yesterday had a story about ‘Saints teen: track star who took a wrong turn’.

That story says that after the high school clinic she went to Sydney for an athletics event and after the Saints-Swans match waited outside the change rooms.

‘They didn’t even question my age from the start because they recognised me from the school clinic’.

Hang on. The AFL says they didn’t meet at the clinic.

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If these professionals, who were employed in a position of trust and authority over minors, did exchange phone numbers at the school football clinic and/or remember her from that day, then they may not only be in breach of contract but also guilty of child protection violations and/or the crime of carnal knowledge...




Who ever wrote that originally forgot to include part of S.48, which gives a guide to what "under the care, supervision or authority of the adult" means, and who/what adults it includes:

"(4) For the purposes of subsection (1), and without limiting that subsection,
a child is under the care, supervision or authority of a person if the person
is-

   (a)  the child's teacher;

   (b)  the child's foster parent;

   (c)  the child's legal guardian;

   (d)  a minister of religion with pastoral responsibility for the child;

   (e)  the child's employer;

   (f)  the child's youth worker;

   (g)  the child's sports coach;

   (h)  the child's counsellor;

       (i)    the child's health professional;

   (j)  a member of the police force acting in the course of his or her duty
       in respect of the child;

   (k)  employed in, or providing services in, a remand centre, youth
       residential centre, youth justice centre or prison and is acting in
       the course of his or her duty in respect of the child."

Any of those sound like "Sports person in Hotel room" to you???

And before you say it, the coaching clinic was run by a coach, with the players there to demostrate and be seen, and once the clinic ended, so did any 'authority or care' provisions...



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Reply #588 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 6:59am
 
<<And before you say it, the coaching clinic was run by a coach, with the players there to demostrate and be seen, and once the clinic ended, so did any 'authority or care' provisions...>>
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There seems to be no actual law against an adult visiting a school and liaising with a student to meet outside of the school at a later date, but this type of behaviour should be investigated. Blue child safe cards are issued for a reason.
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Reply #589 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:08am
 
I worked as an Assistant Nurse in Aged Care facilities.
I didn't liason with any of the Residents (Clients).
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Reply #590 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:10am
 
<<if a girl is raped by one of these gods!!!! she hasnt got a prayer in court has she? >>

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There have been numerous allegations of exactly that. Most end up in pay-offs to the victim. It seems that the AFL control the police and the legal fraternity down there. I would like to see the outcome if the offences occurred in another state. Every allegation and complaint must be taken to the final conclusion through a court of law, no ducking the law with pay-offs.

At least the Rugby League clubs are a bit more open, although they don't take much action against the players involved, they are more open, they usually just take it on the chin and wait for the next animal act to come to light. At least the league boys see the inside of a court occasionally.
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Reply #591 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:11am
 
It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:08am:
I worked as an Assistant Nurse in Aged Care facilities.
I didn't liason with any of the Residents (Clients).



Are you regretting that JAS?
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Reply #592 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:18am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 29th, 2010 at 6:59am:
<<And before you say it, the coaching clinic was run by a coach, with the players there to demostrate and be seen, and once the clinic ended, so did any 'authority or care' provisions...>>
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There seems to be no actual law against an adult visiting a school and liaising with a student to meet outside of the school at a later date, but this type of behaviour should be investigated. Blue child safe cards are issued for a reason.


I'm guessing you mean the blue card for carers system that QLD brought in??

Those are for people who work long term in careers or places where they are around children all day long, like schools or child care centres...

And somehow I doubt that any of the AFL players at the school would have bothered (or in fact been able to) to 'liase' with one individual school girl long enough to 'arrange' a meeting for later....

To be absolutely honest, if there are girls throwing themselves at the players when ever they go to a pub or club (and you know that it does happen), why would they bother with a school girl??
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Reply #593 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:23am
 
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have no idea what the referrence is to Elvis I am afraid...not exactly a fan but didnt mind him does that put your tiny mind to rest?

as for hypocracy.. no one that I have read has said this girl didnt lie..


The reference was to Priscilla being just 14yrs old when she met Elvis...copish?

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if anyone on here can look themselves in the eye and claim they have never told a lie.. then I would be shocked..


Her story of taking the photos herself at the Melbourne Hilton conjures the images that you like to entertain of the footballers posing nude for her before they gave her a good ol' rodgering.
I doubt if that would do very nicely for Riewoldt's relationship with his girlfriend. That claim was downright malicious and potentially very damaging.

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but lets face it..if everything this girl is saying is a lie..WHY is St Kilda making such a fuss and doing everything in its power to shut her up?..


Would you think that it's OK if one of the footballers posted nude photos of her all over the internet?
And especially if she was in a relationship and the footballer said he took the photos himself when he actually stole them, would that be OK?




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Reply #594 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:33am
 
<<but lets face it..if everything this girl is saying is a lie..WHY is St Kilda making such a fuss and doing everything in its power to shut her up?.. >>
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Because she has a lot more on them. The very same reason that the USA want to shut up Assange. It's all about the dirt. They don't want us all to know what they've been up to.....dirty little buggers!
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Reply #595 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:40am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:33am:
<<but lets face it..if everything this girl is saying is a lie..WHY is St Kilda making such a fuss and doing everything in its power to shut her up?.. >>
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Because she has a lot more on them. The very same reason that the USA want to shut up Assange. It's all about the dirt. They don't want us all to know what they've been up to.....dirty little buggers!


pansi    are you getting off on this idiots stupiditiy  or what

has it been a while or maybe never    LOL
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Reply #596 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:47am
 
FRED. wrote on Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:40am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 29th, 2010 at 7:33am:
<<but lets face it..if everything this girl is saying is a lie..WHY is St Kilda making such a fuss and doing everything in its power to shut her up?.. >>
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Because she has a lot more on them. The very same reason that the USA want to shut up Assange. It's all about the dirt. They don't want us all to know what they've been up to.....dirty little buggers!


pansi    are you getting off on this idiots stupiditiy  or what

has it been a while or maybe never    LOL



talking about getting off, put the little peepee pictures away baha you dirty old git.
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Reply #598 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 8:00am
 
aussiefree2ride wrote on Dec 28th, 2010 at 10:16pm:
"the dubious (and arguably unlawful) conduct of the professional adult males has always been the central issue in this saga"  
YOU WISH. Cheesy




Don't worry aussie, the dills will no doubt blame the innocent AFL players for the war in Afghanistan as well!
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