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Reply #690 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 3:08pm

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And with 46% of their supporters/fans being woman... it's something to get nervous about, don't you think?

I know they'll have some study that 'proves' this figure, but we all know it's rubbish....don't we?

Well, it's their study, straight from the AFL site itself.

Just think of all the mums carting kids off to footy practice, cutting oranges and washing guernseys.

Some of the footy-mums are the worst offenders when encouraging some of the undesirable behaviours associated with this sport, both on and off the field.

OK mellie, YES, some football players do treat women like 'meat'....of course so do some mechanics, plumbers, doctors etc...

That has almost nothing to do with this case though...

The young woman in question 'wanted' to be treated shabbily...otherwise she wouldn't have agreed to a date with a footy player...

And add the fact that she travelled to Sydney from Melbourne to meet up with Sam Gilbert originally, and a whole lot of other ideas spring to mind...

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Reply #691 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 3:13pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 3:08pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 2:31pm:

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And with 46% of their supporters/fans being woman... it's something to get nervous about, don't you think?

I know they'll have some study that 'proves' this figure, but we all know it's rubbish....don't we?

Well, it's their study, straight from the AFL site itself.

Just think of all the mums carting kids off to footy practice, cutting oranges and washing guernseys.

Some of the footy-mums are the worst offenders when encouraging some of the undesirable behaviours associated with this sport, both on and off the field.

OK mellie, YES, some football players do treat women like 'meat'....of course so do some mechanics, plumbers, doctors etc...

That has almost nothing to do with this case though...

The young woman in question 'wanted' to be treated shabbily...otherwise she wouldn't have agreed to a date with a footy player...

And add the fact that she travelled to Sydney from Melbourne to meet up with Sam Gilbert originally, and a whole lot of other ideas spring to mind...

In other words, the slvt asked for it eh?

Whether or not she did is irrelevant Giz...afterall, it's public perception that matters.

Ok, have it your way, but I can assure you...it's the wrong way to tackle the femmos demasculinization of this now suddenly 'pinked-up' sport.

Good luck with it.

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Reply #692 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 3:22pm

The root of the problem? Money.

The AFL's bureaucracy has become so caught up in chasing profit, they're destroying the game.

To increase their market share, they have to recruit new fans - and what better group to target than women? they do make up 50% of the population.

So now, instead of just playing football, they have bogus 'female respect officers' schooling the players on such tripe as respect for women, blah blah blah.

I woulda thought this was a job for their parents, to be done ever since birth, but to get those $$$$, their employers have taken it upon themselves to indoctrinate these kids with their transparent mantras.

When will they realise you can't please everybody all the time, and just tell these shrill screaming harridans to f off?

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Reply #693 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 3:32pm

mellie wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 3:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 3:08pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 2:31pm:

... wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 2:22pm:

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And with 46% of their supporters/fans being woman... it's something to get nervous about, don't you think?

I know they'll have some study that 'proves' this figure, but we all know it's rubbish....don't we?

Well, it's their study, straight from the AFL site itself.

Just think of all the mums carting kids off to footy practice, cutting oranges and washing guernseys.

Some of the footy-mums are the worst offenders when encouraging some of the undesirable behaviours associated with this sport, both on and off the field.

OK mellie, YES, some football players do treat women like 'meat'....of course so do some mechanics, plumbers, doctors etc...

That has almost nothing to do with this case though...

The young woman in question 'wanted' to be treated shabbily...otherwise she wouldn't have agreed to a date with a footy player...

And add the fact that she travelled to Sydney from Melbourne to meet up with Sam Gilbert originally, and a whole lot of other ideas spring to mind...

In other words, the slvt asked for it eh?
Whether or not she did is irrelevant Giz...afterall, it's public perception that matters.

Ok, have it your way, but I can assure you...it's the wrong way to tackle the femmos demasculinization of this now suddenly 'pinked-up' sport.
Good luck with it.

HER actions ARE most decidely 'relevant' mellie...
It's the ENTIRE basis of the 'case' against the AFL players....
If this girl (young woman) was a willing participant to what happened...then there is NO case against the AFL players..
Her age is NOT a factor...she was well and truly old enough to make 'adult' decisions about who she slept with...

Asked for WHAT??....Sex from a famous person?? Perhaps..
To get pregnant by the famous person??? Maybe (she certainly didn't start any complaints until she lost the baby/babies)..Of course a paternity claim would be worth a bit..

To be dumped after he'd had his fun...No, no woman ever 'asks' for that

Or access to the photos on his laptop??...Perhaps she did...I can't see any other reason to allow someone access to MY computer, unless they ask..

BUT there was no 'rape' there was no 'gangbang', there was no 'force' or 'coercion' involved...everything she did (other than getting kicked to the curb, of course) she did 'willingly'...

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Miss Anne Dryst Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2296 Sydney Gender:	Re: Immature vengeful St Kilda teen in court Reply #694 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:07pm andreihicks wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:23am: However the thing that bothers me and which both of you have ignored is why was this Dal Santo character masturbating in front of his team mates. And just how is this relevant to Duthie? Has Del Santo committed a crime?
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Reply #695 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:11pm

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And with 46% of their supporters/fans being woman... it's something to get nervous about, don't you think?

I know they'll have some study that 'proves' this figure, but we all know it's rubbish....don't we?

It is not politically correct to question anything that empowers women, and that includes even if the figures have been 'created".

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Reply #696 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:16pm

mellie wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 3:13pm:

In other words, the slvt asked for it eh?

Finally the message is getting through.
The strumpet went to adult nightclubs looking for sex before the Stkilda episode,a dn during the episode and no doubt after theepisode as well.
The strumpet figured that one good night of sex with anyone and any groupie sex meant a lifetime committtment from all participants.

Then when the strumpet got dumped then and ONLY then
did the strumpet complain!

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Reply #697 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:19pm

No complaints before, during or afterwards as the strumpet was too busy with bragging rights with her latest trophy mounted on the mantlepiece.

But when the trophy turned around and dumped her that was when Duthie started complaining.

"Can't dump me you silly men!

I want to cause havoc!

Send me all your nude photos and I'll publicise them."

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mellie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8142 Sydney Gender:	Re: Immature vengeful St Kilda teen in court Reply #698 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:26pm Miss Ann, you just don't get it. The more supporters and the AFL condemn this said 'strumpet' the worse it looks for them, due to their unwillingness to discipline it's players for not having adhered to their individual contracts concerning sleeping with girls under 18 years of age. OK
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Reply #699 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:30pm

andreihicks wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:23am:

However the thing that bothers me and which both of you have ignored is why was this Dal Santo character masturbating in front of his team mates. I know AFL is played by young men from a low class background, is this normal behaviour in Australia's lower classes?

Why Andrei??/ lots of 'sports teams' and guy only groups do stupid poo like that....

Is it entirely relevant??
The navy has a thing caled the 'soggy SAO' competition...(jerking off on a SAO biscuit, last guy has to eat it)..There are lots of 'rights of passage' things for young guys...

It's NOT all the important...except that guys do dumb things...

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Reply #700 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:33pm

mellie wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:26pm:

Miss Ann, you just don't get it.

The more supporters and the AFL condemn this said 'strumpet' the worse it looks for them, due to their unwillingness to discipline it's players for not having adhered to their individual contracts concerning sleeping with girls under 18 years of age.

OK Cool

Well mellie, I'm willing to bet YOU money that there is NOTHING in ANY players 'individual contract' about the sleeping with girls under 18...

Girls UNDER 16, maybe...but not girls under 18..

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Reply #701 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:36pm

andreihicks wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 9:23am:

Hello Miss Anne Dryst and Aussiefree2ride, I have to say I agree with your argument for the most part, in that any girl with a short skirt is asking for it in the most obvious way.

However the thing that bothers me and which both of you have ignored is why was this Dal Santo character masturbating in front of his team mates. I know AFL is played by young men from a low class background, is this normal behaviour in Australia's lower classes?

Myself and the other Bristol City chaps would regularly get together before a big game, but I can't for the life of me recall any of us flopping out our genitals and going to town on them in front of the other chaps.

I would be awfully embarrassed if my rude pictures surfaced on the internet for all and sundry to gander at, but then again I would only ever do it in front of a trusted loved one.

andrei thats as bad as that muslim cleric saying that the way aussie women dress makes them look like "cat meat"how dare you say something that sexist and patronising.. get over yourself.

if young girls at 16/17 cant wear a short skirt without dirty minded "men" saying and thinking vile things.. then its you guys that need to take a good... hard... long... look at yourselves..

if its fashion they will want to wear it.. and believe it or not its not about attracting idiots like you, they do it for themselves.

as for "men" taken photos of their pride and joy between each other.. well that to me smacks of gay pride if ever one did..and me thinks this could very well be the whole problem with this taudry case..

mark my word there is far more to this than a silly little girl showing a rudie nudie on the web and our Nick being embarrassed about the size of his willie which didnt seem to me to be anything to be ashamed of!.

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Reply #702 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:39pm

mellie wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:26pm:

Miss Ann, you just don't get it.

The more supporters and the AFL condemn this said 'strumpet' the worse it looks for them, due to their unwillingness to discipline it's players for not having adhered to their individual contracts concerning sleeping with girls under 18 years of age.

OK Cool

Would be interesting to know when and why they included this rule in their players contracts, perhaps the same time they began allowing their players to visit schools?

If so, then the rules are the rules, they made them afterall, who are we to challenge their own players contracts.

They must have agreed to them at the time, or else they wouldn't have signed them?

Rules are rules!

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Reply #703 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:41pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:33pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:26pm:

Miss Ann, you just don't get it.

The more supporters and the AFL condemn this said 'strumpet' the worse it looks for them, due to their unwillingness to discipline it's players for not having adhered to their individual contracts concerning sleeping with girls under 18 years of age.

OK Cool

Well mellie, I'm willing to bet YOU money that there is NOTHING in ANY players 'individual contract' about the sleeping with girls under 18...

Girls UNDER 16, maybe...but not girls under 18..

Are you absolutely sure about this?

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Reply #704 - Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:44pm

mellie wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:41pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:33pm:

mellie wrote on Dec 30^th, 2010 at 4:26pm:

Miss Ann, you just don't get it.

The more supporters and the AFL condemn this said 'strumpet' the worse it looks for them, due to their unwillingness to discipline it's players for not having adhered to their individual contracts concerning sleeping with girls under 18 years of age.

OK Cool

Well mellie, I'm willing to bet YOU money that there is NOTHING in ANY players 'individual contract' about the sleeping with girls under 18...

Girls UNDER 16, maybe...but not girls under 18..

Are you absolutely sure about this?

80% sure...prove me wrong then....(since 16 IS the age of consent, there's unlikely to be any reference to 'underage girls' that includes age 16..)

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