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The Haneef cover-up and pay-off
Dec 24th, 2010 at 6:16am
 
Haneef was arrested on 2 July 2007 attempting to make a one-way trip to India. This led authorities to believe Haneef's attempted exit from Australia on 2 July was directly linked to the arrest of his cousin Kafeel Ahmed, who suffered 90% burns after the Glasgow airport attack on 30 June.
He is the second cousin once removed of Kafeel Ahmed and Sabeel Ahmed, the operatives and confirmed terrorists involved in the 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack.

The shared flat

Our federal police claimed in a court affidavit that Haneef told them in his first interview that he lived in Britain with the two terrorist suspects, his cousins. On 2 July and 3 July 2007 Dr Haneef then participated in a taped record of interview with the AFP and stated that whilst in the UK he resided with suspects 1 and 2 (alleged suicide bomber Kafeel Ahmed and his brother Sabeel Ahmed), at 13 Bentley Road, Liverpool.
However, In subsequent Immigration Department documents used to advise Australian Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews, senior public servant Peter White asserts: "Dr Haneef advised the AFP that he resided with Dr Sabeel Ahmed at a boarding house located at 13 Bentley Road, Liverpool, an 'said' error which conflicted with his own tape recorded interview, that was not corrected by our AFP.

Now, in another interview again, Haneef told police that he lived at 13 Bentley Road, Liverpool, with several doctors, whom he names. None of those named are known to be suspects in the Glasgow or London incidents. Haneef then told police that he had moved out of 13 Bentley Road by the time that Sabeel Ahmed moved there. He also told police that he visited Cambridge on two occasions in 2004 and stayed for up to six days with suicide bomber Kafeel Ahmed.

Mishandling of evidence, perhaps intentional?

There has been confusion with the handling of evidence, with Australian police presenting their own notes to Haneef under the impression that they were diary entries written by Haneef. which they claim led to inaccurate claims that our police had written in the diary itself,  but it has since been confirmed that the police notes were not written in Haneef's diary.

Australian intelligence authorities are reportedly probing a report in the Indian newspaper The Asian Age that alleged Haneef supposedly belonged to the now banned Student Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) when he was at medical school.

Australia has reportedly sought details from India of personal information such as banking transactions related to Haneef. The request came after Indian authorities declined to comply with a request for "friendly sharing of information" made by a representative of the Australian Federal Police.

India don't feel at liberty to disclose this information, then wonder why we remain suspicious and detain their well-connected (to known terrorists) citizens.

There are indications that Kafeel Ahmed and Bilal Abdullah were behind the 2007 London car bombs plot, and investigations are being carried out to unearth a possible involvement with the deadly 2005 Indian Institute of Science shooting, an attack with unknown suspects that are still at large. According to India.

On Sunday, 22 July, some News Limited papers reported unsubstantiated claims from unnamed law enforcement sources that the AFP was investigating Haneef's alleged involvement in a plot to blow up a Gold Coast sky scraper. The reports also alleged that Haneef may have been one of a number of people who had expressed interest in the operations of planes at premises in Queensland. The Australian Federal Police commissioner Mick Keelty was forced to take the extraordinary step of publicly denying any substance to these claims. In other words, our media was silenced.

Haneef's ensuing 12 day detention became the longest without charge in recent Australian history, which caused great controversy in Australia and India.

Following his arrest, Haneef's family claimed that any link between him and the terrorists is only tenuous, and a case of guilt by association, that he was not involved in the plot, and that he was returning to India to see his wife and daughter who he had left behind and had no intentions of visiting until his terrorist cousin was burned in a botched terrorist attack. 2 days after in fact, and 6 days after his daughter was born.

Australian authorities alleged that as Haneef left Britain he recklessly provided assistance to a terrorist organization by leaving his relative, Sabeel Ahmed, a SIM card and the balance of a two year mobile phone contract to use and pay off when he left Britain in July 2006. Relatives have said that he left the SIM card behind to save money by not surrendering the remaining value of the contract to the telephone company

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamed_Haneef
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Reply #1 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 6:49am
 
Furthermore...

The highly selective nature of the quotations and paraphrases has drawn considerable criticism from media commentators, politicians and the legal community.

The relevant paragraph from the Solicitor-General's advice is quoted here in full:


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Part of the material supplied to the Minister protected under a 503A referred to a chat room conversation between Haneef and his brother Shuaib in India on 2 July. Obviously Shuaib was also a cousin of the Ahmed brothers. In the conversation, Shuiab informed Haneef "that nothing has been found out about you" and asked when he would be getting out. Haneef replied "today". Shuaib asked whether he had permission from his hospital to leave and what he told the hospital to take leave. Haneef said that he had told them that his baby was born in an emergency caesarean. Shuaib said "tell them you have to as you have a daughter born, do not tell them anything else". Shuaib then told Haneef not to delay his departure and not to let anyone else use his number in Australia or give it to anyone. He added that "Aunty told that brother Kafeel used it; he is in some sort of project over there" and that "that disturbance (incident) which happened, it happened like this, Kafeel told that he will come and fix everything up". Shauib also said that there was no contact with Kafeel. The protected material concluded with the following paragraphs...


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Heres what I think....

I believe our Liberal government had it right the first time, this and believe Haneef was involved in this familial terrorist network, though due to our government changing within months of his arrest, (Labor came in) Labor have come in with the mop and bucket this and  white-washed the case, this and obscured the facts so as to keep relations with India peaceful and allude to our new-government being more 'Muslim' friendly , when in fact, the decision to revoke Haneef's visa was given in principle support by the Shadow Minister of Immigration, Labors Tony Burke.

Fact is, we had substantial grounds and the legal right to detain this individual in our nations best interest, innocent or guilty, we needed to be absolutely sure.

We should not be apologising for upholding our nations laws, this or be seen to be compensating those we decide to interrogate then let-go due to surprisingly insufficient evidence when we detain our own for much less, and much longer, this and rarely ever compensate them for their trouble. If at all.

If Haneef was of sound moral character, this and had genuine regard for our nations security and it's citizens, as a doctor he would not be bitter about the whole affair, this or be requesting monetary compensation to the tune of $1+ Mil (an Undisclosed figure our government don't wish to divulge)...from a government simply having done it's job.

I think he got lucky, was let off due to botched-insufficient evidence, mismanaged by a India stroking Labor government who practically let them get away with murder in our country, few questions asked.

Why didn't we demand a history of his bank transactions from India?

We asked them if they would oblige, they said "No"...and we left it at that.

Perhaps if they had have been more cooperative, this and Haneef himself hadn't kept smiling and changing his story, re- the terrorists he lived with over in the UK... we may have gotten to the bottom of it allot sooner.

Again, Labor expect Australian tax-payers to fund their having stuffed up.i






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Reply #2 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 7:30am
 
So, like pirates, should Abbott release and reward Labors prisoners as soon as he wins government next election for political advantage?

Not to be outdone by Rudd the Indigenous apologist, Gillard had to go one better and not only apologise to a confirmed terrorist associate, but compensate him generously for his 22 day inconvenience also.

Lol what happened to Schapelle Corby, has she lost her political edge, is no longer worthy of rescuing on account of Australians not giving a damn.


Jeeze, Abbott will have his work cut out for him topping this wont he,  might have to free Ivan Millat or something, as soon as he gets in.

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Reply #3 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 7:38am
 
The hatemongering howard government stuffed up by arresting an innocent man, and then further bungled it by revoking his visa and putting him in immigration detention. They full well know it, and so they're paying him off to keep him quiet.

Being the blinded supporter of the Liberal movement that you are, of course you'd never accept this, and what you also won't accept is that they actually made us LESS safe from terrorism, due to their bungling and witch hunting. Now they're going to have to tread much more carefully because they abused the authority on this issue.

Come on, how on earth can giving an unused sim card to a relative before you leave a country be considered "material support for terrorism"???? It's just ludicrous. If you gave a sim card to a relative of yours, and they committed a crime with it some time later, would you gladly stand up and hand yourself in to be charged with their crime?
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Reply #4 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 7:56am
 
Look, both Labor and Liberal failed to delve into this case properly, (not that Libs had the luxury of time on their side ) and as far as the presumption of innocence goes.... tell me, if you weren't a terrorist yourself, why on earth would you cavort with them online and live with them under the same roof?



Not all terrorists Haneef stayed with were related to him.

He boarded with a suicide bomber and his friend also in the UK.

Were you aware of this, or have you shifted your focus to ALPS false-presumption of innocence, (they know fine well he's guilty)..of which is only to get back into the Muslim communities good-books.

They have had 3 years to say sorry, this and compensate him for their negligence....why suddenly now?





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Reply #5 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:02am
 
Haneef shared a house in the UK with 4 known terrorists, that we know of. We suspect there are likely to be more however.

Sorry, too many coincidences here ....our intelligence agencies are not-happy with the outcome either, this and don't appreciate being undermined for political reasons, hence Gillard has threatened them with more cut-backs if they don't tow the line.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/gillard-eyes-spooks-in-review-20101224-196p9.html



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Reply #6 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:32am
 
It's my understanding Haneef communicated via a chat-forum with at least one known terrorist linked to the UK bombings, re- his imminent and necessary departure to India after having received information about him being monitored by our federal police.

Dr Haneef maintains that he was merely returning to India without any funds in his Australian bank account, (His father supposedly purchased his one-way ticket) to visit his 6 day old new-born daughter in hospital.

This led authorities to believe Haneef's attempted exit from Australia on 2 July was directly linked to the arrest of his terrorist cousin Kafeel Ahmed, who suffered 90% burns after the Glasgow airport attack just two days before and later died...given the nature of his conversation with his brother he had been chatting with online via a off-shore hosted chat room.

Part of the material supplied to the Minister protected under a 503A referred to a chat room conversation between Haneef and his brother Shuaib in India on 2 July. Obviously Shuaib was also a cousin of the Ahmed brothers. In the conversation, Shuiab informed Haneef "that nothing has been found out about you" and asked when he would be getting out. Haneef replied "today". Shuaib asked whether he had permission from his hospital to leave and what he told the hospital to take leave. Haneef said that he had told them that his baby was born in an emergency caesarean. Shuaib said "tell them you have to as you have a daughter born, do not tell them anything else". Shuaib then told Haneef not to delay his departure and not to let anyone else use his number in Australia or give it to anyone. He added that "Aunty told that brother Kafeel used it; he is in some sort of project over there" and that "that disturbance (incident) which happened, it happened like this, Kafeel told that he will come and fix everything up". Shauib also said that there was no contact with Kafeel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamed_Haneef

What do you make of this chat, the same day he hurriedly tried to leave Australia.

Funny, no mention of a congratulations re- the birth of a baby girl...rather his brother more or less coached him, told him what to tell the hospital in order to gain leave without notice.

Tell me, how is it that a Dr cant afford a plane ticket to visit his new born daughter in India, though can make multiple recent trips to the UK shacking up with known terrorists , only deciding to leave Australia upon learning of his cousins devastating injuries due to a botched bombing attack in the UK?

You may have fooled yourself and a number of people with this white-washed matter...but you aren't fooling me.

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Reply #7 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:40am
 
mellie wrote on Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:02am:
Haneef shared a house in the UK with 4 known terrorists, that we know of. We suspect there are likely to be more however.




The fact that this is not true was one of the reasons that the Prosecutor ruled that there was no chance of a conviction.

In fact most of the argument on this topic is flawed in fact.
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Reply #8 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:46am
 
I thought it interesting that the PM John Howard had become politically involved in the case within 12 hrs of the arrest and that the AFP had been instructed by government to use this as a test case for the new laws.

To me that is saying do not worry about the merits of the case just go for it - we want a test of the legislation, partially explains why it was thrown out by the DPP as an unwinable case.
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Reply #9 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:52am
 
Haneefs chat-room conversation is protected under 503A

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s503a.html

Meaning,  an authorised migration officer or minister may view the document, this and cant be retrieved under via the FOI Act.

Basically, protected information supplied by law enforcement agencies or intelligence agencies for authorised persons eyes only.



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Reply #10 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:57am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:46am:
I thought it interesting that the PM John Howard had become politically involved in the case within 12 hrs of the arrest and that the AFP had been instructed by government to use this as a test case for the new laws.

To me that is saying do not worry about the merits of the case just go for it - we want a test of the legislation, partially explains why it was thrown out by the DPP as an unwinable case.


Likewise, and I'm equally disappointed in Howards secrecy over this entire affair...though grant it, unlike Labor, he didn't have time on his side...he was an outgoing government in stalemate.

I feel both sides of politics really let us down on this....(more so labor because they have had 3 years to investigate the matter thoroughly) this and have intentionally withheld crucial facts from the public.i
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Reply #11 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 9:01am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:40am:
mellie wrote on Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:02am:
Haneef shared a house in the UK with 4 known terrorists, that we know of. We suspect there are likely to be more however.




The fact that this is not true was one of the reasons that the Prosecutor ruled that there was no chance of a conviction.

In fact most of the argument on this topic is flawed in fact.


Wrong, it's actually one of few documented facts....though what's concerning is that there are 3 separate versions of the same story re-his UK boarding arrangements with respects to who he stayed with.

Here, take a look for yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamed_Haneef

The thing is, Haneef was incarcerated in Australia for 14 days after being charged with supporting a terrorist organisation by "recklessly" giving his mobile phone SIM card to people planning the botched London and Glasgow bomb attacks. Now due to the rushed and botched nature of the initial investigation, Libs knew they only had a limited time frame to gather more substantial evidence.

I think Howard knew Haneef was guilty of at least being involved somehow, (why else would you cavort with terrorists in a foreign country)..though only had circumstantial evidence to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt, of which clearly wasn't enough.

By which stage, Australia were already down on Howard re- his war on terror,  so the detainment of a suspected terrorist was attracting negative publicity, so he needed to pull a rabbit out of his hat fast, this or drop the chargers.

After the decision by Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews to cancel his work visa, Haneef chose not to post bail, opting instead to remain in police custody until his appeal against the visa cancellation decision could be heard. He would have been out in 14 days, had he not rendered himself a victimous political hostage preferring to remain in police custody until the 27th of July.

14 days compulsory
11 day voluntary.

Total...25 days in custody. Big whoop, when it comes to ensuring our nation remains secure.

Better to be safe than sorry, and given the nature of his chat-room conversations with his brother on the day he was arrested at the airport...coupled with his travel history and rather dark associates, I think not detaining him for a period of time would have been careless.

He returned to India on the 29th of July,(same month he was detained) ..as Libs wanted this over and done with, possibly to avoid political wedging from the left, (the greens in particular) in the lead up to the late-2007 federal election.

So I don't think they spent enough time delving into this said 'circumstantial' evidence, this or negotiating with India to release his bank transaction history...and criminal history.
So...

-He was arrested on July 2nd 2007

-Was offered bail on July 16, though declined and chose to remain in police custody until the 27th of July.

-Left for India on July 29, this and now believes he's entitled to a $1 million or more  compensation pay-out?


No way would a Liberal government have granted him this, because as botched and circumstantial as the presenting evidence is, had he pushed the matter under Howard, Libs would have kicked-back twice as hard this and made a concerted effort to expose some of the more incriminating 'circumstantial' facts the public don't know about yet.

What a class act, imagine Gillard awarding this individual compensation at the tax-payers expense, only for the Coalition to stand up and provide hard-evidence to support their initial concerns under a Howard government.

See, I think he has rushed in now to get his compensation while Labor were still in power, probably realising they are on their way out.

I'd like to see Liberal re-open the case and start the investigation from scratch, because I am not happy with the $ Million pay-out a Labor government have awarded someone who associates with known terrorists...this and don't believe Labor  are in a position to be dolling out tax-payers money at their private discretion behind our backs.

Whether or not he's guilty or innocent, the public deserve to know the facts.

So much for Gillards 'transparent' government.... fear not, i'm sure Wikileaks will host it shortly.

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Reply #12 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 10:42am
 
mellie wrote on Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:57am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 24th, 2010 at 8:46am:
I thought it interesting that the PM John Howard had become politically involved in the case within 12 hrs of the arrest and that the AFP had been instructed by government to use this as a test case for the new laws.

To me that is saying do not worry about the merits of the case just go for it - we want a test of the legislation, partially explains why it was thrown out by the DPP as an unwinable case.


Likewise, and I'm equally disappointed in Howards secrecy over this entire affair...though grant it, unlike Labor, he didn't have time on his side...he was an outgoing government in stalemate.




Howard was in power and looking for a kick in the polls for the upcomming election and history was telling the Liberals that racial vilification was a good bet to work.
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Reply #13 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 10:48am
 
mellie wrote on Dec 24th, 2010 at 9:01am:
Haneef chose not to post bail


If you recall at the time there was the threat that if he were released that he would be put immediately into immigration detention, this would have deprived him of access to his legal recourse and been likely to have put him in a remote location. This behaviour shows the ethical standards of that government or more precisely the lack of.
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Reply #14 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 10:53am
 
The Clarke report:

The report concludes

1) The evidence against Mohamed Haneef was "completely deficient".

2) ASIO reported to the government two days after Haneef's arrest that there was no information that he was guilty of anything.

3) The Manager Counter Terrorism Domestic, Commander Ramzi Jabbour, had lost objectivity and was "unable to see that the evidence he regarded as highly incriminating in fact amounted to very little".

4) Police officers Neil Thompson and Adam Simms who interrogated Haneef refused to charge him, so Jabbour personally charged Haneef.
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