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Reply #45 - Jan 8^th, 2011 at 7:52pm

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2011 at 7:49pm:

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Perhaps a solution would be to get rid of public operated schools entirely and have the govt pay the $10,000 per student directly to a private education body to proved no-fee education.

I suspect the standards would drop. At the moment only not-for-profit groups run schools - ie governments and churches, and a few other groups. I would hate for us to end up like the US, with coke vending machines in the classrooms as part of a sponsorship deal.

Yet my cost of living is half yours and I enjoy a better quality of life than Australians.
Say what you like about the US system, taxes are lower and I have no doubt my girls will get a great education that California can provide.

Novel thing is - we pay for it ourselves but we don't have an overburdened tax system costing us in our pay packet.

May explain why we pay 80c for petrol and you pay $1.35 eh?

Think about it - it cant be that bad.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48921 At my desk.	Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools. Reply #46 - Jan 8^th, 2011 at 7:54pm The reason your petrol costs less is because you have more people to pay for the roads.
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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #48 - Jan 8^th, 2011 at 8:08pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2011 at 8:00pm:

really?

Care to explain then why the tax on petrol in Australia doesn't go to road upkeep (as it should) and instead goes into 'General Revenue'??

I pay 12c per litre in tax. You pay 51c per litre.

Are you sure that's just the reason????

Yes I am sure. Who cares if it goes into general revenue first?

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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #49 - Jan 8^th, 2011 at 8:12pm

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2011 at 8:08pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 8^th, 2011 at 8:00pm:

really?

Care to explain then why the tax on petrol in Australia doesn't go to road upkeep (as it should) and instead goes into 'General Revenue'??

I pay 12c per litre in tax. You pay 51c per litre.

Are you sure that's just the reason????

Yes I am sure. Who cares if it goes into general revenue first?

Because how do you track all of it is going to road upkeep and it is not being funded into all sorts of failed Government white elephant and social improvement projects.

Tax on petrol, you are correct, should be for road infrastructure - in Australia it is used to run a social welfare state - which is why you pay an absurd amount of tax compared to here.

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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #50 - Jan 8^th, 2011 at 8:41pm

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2011 at 7:54pm:

The reason your petrol costs less is because you have more people to pay for the roads.

Do you honestly believe this is the only determinant freediver?

How simplistic , very.

But I'll give you points for guessing. Wink

The overall average price of petrol also closely tracks the movements
of both Tapis crude oil price and the Singapore petrol price.

http://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1211&context=commwkpapers

Basically,'Fuel watch' was a conveniently timed ruse to make it look like something labor implemented was actually proving beneficial for once, at a time when they knew petrol prices would drop anyway due to global supply and demand , and that which relates specifically to our pacific region

Roll Eyes

Was a waste of money, but watch them take credit for it anyway.

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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #51 - Jan 8^th, 2011 at 9:17pm

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Because how do you track all of it is going to road upkeep and it is not being funded into all sorts of failed Government white elephant and social improvement projects.

It is quite easy actually. You compare the total revenue raised from fuel taxes with the total expenditure on roads. No need to track every penny.

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The overall average price of petrol also closely tracks the movements
of both Tapis crude oil price and the Singapore petrol price.

We were talking about the difference in price, not the absolute price.

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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #52 - Jan 9^th, 2011 at 6:47am

It is quite easy actually. You compare the total revenue raised from fuel taxes with the total expenditure on roads. No need to track every penny.

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The overall average price of petrol also closely tracks the movements
of both Tapis crude oil price and the Singapore petrol price.

We were talking about the difference in price, not the absolute price. [/quote]

Freediver are you a simpleton?

I and millions of drivers have spent years looking to see where the money has been spent on roads. The only new roads we have are tollways that are NOT built with petrol tax money.

Sydney alone has 7 tollways. It used to be 8 but the M4 toll was removed when the contract expired and the NSW government took control of the road.

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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #53 - Jan 9^th, 2011 at 7:59am

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I and millions of drivers have spent years looking to see where the money has been spent on roads.

You spent years looking? It took me a few minutes of looking.

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The only new roads we have are tollways that are NOT built with petrol tax money.

I agree with you there. They should pay for these roads by raising fuel taxes, not with tolls. It annoys me that they have to make toll roads less useful so they can force people to pay up. Only problem is so many ignorant people whinge about fuel prices and expect the government to lower them.

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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #55 - Jan 9^th, 2011 at 11:27am

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2011 at 7:59am:

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I agree with you there. They should pay for these roads by raising fuel taxes, not with tolls. .

You already pay over 50c per litre in petrol tax whilst I pay 12c.

As a result your cost of petrol is 50c more per litre than me.

You don't think you are already ripped off?
You want people in Australia to PAY MORE??????????

What next? A carbon tax to pay more for the same services of energy??
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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #56 - Jan 9^th, 2011 at 11:59am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2011 at 11:27am:

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2011 at 7:59am:

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I agree with you there. They should pay for these roads by raising fuel taxes, not with tolls. .

You already pay over 50c per litre in petrol tax whilst I pay 12c.

As a result your cost of petrol is 50c more per litre than me.

You don't think you are already ripped off?
You want people in Australia to PAY MORE??????????

What next? A carbon tax to pay more for the same services of energy??
Grin

The taxes we are already paying are more than enough to pay for everything the country needs, we don't need more taxes we need accountability in how the taxes are spent. The Banks and Corporate sector are stealing our revenue so what good would raising taxes do? Lets go after the crooks, get our country and Government back on a legal basis and then we wont have any problems.

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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #57 - Jan 9^th, 2011 at 12:26pm

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You don't think you are already ripped off?

No.

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You want people in Australia to PAY MORE??????????

I want them to pay at the bowsers instead of at a toll.

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The taxes we are already paying are more than enough to pay for everything the country needs, we don't need more taxes we need accountability in how the taxes are spent.

That does not negate the need to rationally assess how those taxes are collected.

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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #58 - Jan 9^th, 2011 at 1:02pm

Prevailing wrote on Jan 9^th, 2011 at 11:59am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 9^th, 2011 at 11:27am:

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2011 at 7:59am:

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I agree with you there. They should pay for these roads by raising fuel taxes, not with tolls. .

You already pay over 50c per litre in petrol tax whilst I pay 12c.

As a result your cost of petrol is 50c more per litre than me.

You don't think you are already ripped off?
You want people in Australia to PAY MORE??????????

What next? A carbon tax to pay more for the same services of energy??
Grin

The taxes we are already paying are more than enough to pay for everything the country needs, we don't need more taxes we need accountability in how the taxes are spent. The Banks and Corporate sector are stealing our revenue so what good would raising taxes do? Lets go after the crooks, get our country and Government back on a legal basis and then we wont have any problems.

The only trouble being if we all call for accountability, we'll have a minister for accountability, 400 public servants to serve in the office of accountability and lots of consultants to check the accountability. They never take form the public service, they only ever add to.

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Reply #59 - Jan 9^th, 2011 at 1:35pm

freediver wrote on Jan 9^th, 2011 at 12:26pm:

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[quote]The taxes we are already paying are more than enough to pay for everything the country needs, we don't need more taxes we need accountability in how the taxes are spent.

That does not negate the need to rationally assess how those taxes are collected.

We can however look at ways we can reduce the Governments tax take whilst maximizing direct accounting for how those tax dollars are spent, legislation banning the Government from using surpluses to pay down debt for instance and restricting banks freedom to issue credit are proactive reforms.

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