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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #75 - Jan 10^th, 2011 at 1:57pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 10^th, 2011 at 1:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 9^th, 2011 at 5:28pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 8^th, 2011 at 6:23pm:

salad in wrote on Jan 7^th, 2011 at 6:59am:

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1963 Election

In 1963 PM Robert Menzies took the step of providing State Aid (government funding) for independent schools. In Goulburn NSW in 1962 Catholic schools had shut their doors for a week - and dumped their kids on the State school system - to protest against a lack of government funding (State Aid as it was called). While Menzies funded independent schools (and won over many Catholic voters) Labor wrestled with the issue and resisted State Aid. This is the story of that strike and the 1963 election.

http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/history/Transcripts/s1213157.htm

It's simple: the state school system wouldn't be able to cope.

SILLY old arguement, that one

It could be EQUALLY argued that if the Federal Government didn't

bankroll the so-called "private" system

there would be a lot more funding available to a more

egalitarian, universal education model

It could be 'argued', but only a fool would support it. it is nonsensical, uneconomic and totally opposed to actual real-world experience. IE a PERFECT Greens policy!

It's typical of you to defend the channeling of tax payers money into the pockets of corrupt religious institutions who run these schools.

Schools should be run by the Government. That's what we all pay taxes for. There is no need for fancy swimming pools and tennis courts at any school and nor should the Government be paying for it.

You must have really gone to a crappy school. my PUBLIC primary school had a pool and my PUBLIC high school had tennis courts - all paid for by the govt.

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Reply #77 - Jan 10^th, 2011 at 2:32pm

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There is no need for fancy swimming pools and tennis courts at any school and nor should the Government be paying for it.

So your real problem is that some kids get to play tennis at school, and if your kids can't do it none of them should? Why hold this against them if it costs you nothing and actually saves you money and improves the education for your child?

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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #78 - Jan 10^th, 2011 at 2:58pm

hawil wrote on Jan 9^th, 2011 at 6:17pm:

'd disagree with idea that 'private enterprise' can build and maintain roads better.....in my experience (around where I live at least) I don't consider road re-surfacing that produces potholes within 10 days to be 'better'.....

When the RTA or council did the repair work, it used to last at least 6 months before pot holes appeared...

gizmo you may be right, but working for many years in a government department I have seen too much bludging to be efficient.
If the government workers would be prepared to put a decent days work for a decent wage then the government system would definitely be superior because it would not have to create large profits for the private industry.

You are at least not in the same mould as longweekend, who sees everything in dollar terms for the elite in this world.

The problem is ,hawil, that council/RTA workers get paid the same amount whether they're working on the roads or putting in new pipes or sitting around scratching themselves..where private enterprise get paid 'by the job', so the sooner private workers finish, the sooner they move on to the next job/pay cheque....so they rush, and a fast job is never a 'good' job..

So, while it might take government workers 3 days to do a job private enterprise can do in one day, the gov workers spend more time compressing the road base and more time to lay and cure the tarmac, which in turn means a better, tougher job..

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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #79 - Jan 10^th, 2011 at 5:23pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 10^th, 2011 at 2:58pm:

hawil wrote on Jan 9^th, 2011 at 6:17pm:

'd disagree with idea that 'private enterprise' can build and maintain roads better.....in my experience (around where I live at least) I don't consider road re-surfacing that produces potholes within 10 days to be 'better'.....

When the RTA or council did the repair work, it used to last at least 6 months before pot holes appeared...

gizmo you may be right, but working for many years in a government department I have seen too much bludging to be efficient.
If the government workers would be prepared to put a decent days work for a decent wage then the government system would definitely be superior because it would not have to create large profits for the private industry.

You are at least not in the same mould as longweekend, who sees everything in dollar terms for the elite in this world.

The problem is ,hawil, that council/RTA workers get paid the same amount whether they're working on the roads or putting in new pipes or sitting around scratching themselves..where private enterprise get paid 'by the job', so the sooner private workers finish, the sooner they move on to the next job/pay cheque....so they rush, and a fast job is never a 'good' job..

So, while it might take government workers 3 days to do a job private enterprise can do in one day, the gov workers spend more time compressing the road base and more time to lay and cure the tarmac, which in turn means a better, tougher job..

gov workers do a better job than private industry? Thanks, I needed the laugh!

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Re: Why Should The Public Fund Private Schools.
Reply #80 - Jan 10^th, 2011 at 10:27pm

freediver wrote on Jan 10^th, 2011 at 2:32pm:

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There is no need for fancy swimming pools and tennis courts at any school and nor should the Government be paying for it.

So your real problem is that some kids get to play tennis at school, and if your kids can't do it none of them should? Why hold this against them if it costs you nothing and actually saves you money and improves the education for your child?

No the problem is the private school institutions expect the tax payers to compensate them for their extravagant tastes Sad

And having a tennis court doesn't improve a childs education. This notion that sports can somehow provide an alternative career path for most children is totally absurd. Only a select few kids become good at sport whereas the rest would have been better off focusing on a real education just like the chinese students do Wink

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Reply #81 - Jan 10^th, 2011 at 10:32pm

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This notion that sports can somehow provide an alternative career path for most children is totally absurd.

Sure. We should all have obese children who go to public school and are never challenged to do something they might fail at. Would that make you happy?

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Only a select few kids become good at sport

Only a select few become good enough at maths to make a living out of it. Something tells me you simply don't appreciate the value of a good education.

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Reply #82 - Jan 11^th, 2011 at 11:19am

I struggle to understand the position of the anti private school brigade. A child, regardless of which school they attend should be entitled to the same level of tax payer funded education, if their parents choose to pay additional fees on top of that what's the issue?

Personally, if I had children (and probably won't), I wouldn't subject them to the Queensland Education System, lacklustre at best.

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