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Jan 12th, 2011 at 4:49pm
 
Just curious as to what Australians think of the IRA and the Irish struggle for unification of the island (north & south).
Do you think the IRA are opportunistic terrorists with a hidden agenda, or are they genuine freedom fighters, fighting imperialism and capitalism?
Thank you in advance for your views.
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Reply #1 - Jan 13th, 2011 at 7:13pm
 
While the majority of the Northern Irish population wish to remain part of the UK, the IRA remain just a bunch of violent thugs.
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Reply #2 - Jan 14th, 2011 at 7:27am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 13th, 2011 at 7:13pm:
While the majority of the Northern Irish population wish to remain part of the UK, the IRA remain just a bunch of violent thugs.


Just out of curiosity, where are you getting your information from when you say that the majority of the North want to remain part of the UK?
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Reply #3 - Jan 14th, 2011 at 7:39am
 
Think about it. You're asking people what they think of the IRA when you're the one who originally made this thread in the "Extremism Exposed" forum. Even you know.
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Reply #4 - Jan 14th, 2011 at 7:45am
 
IrishRepublican wrote on Jan 14th, 2011 at 7:27am:
Soren wrote on Jan 13th, 2011 at 7:13pm:
While the majority of the Northern Irish population wish to remain part of the UK, the IRA remain just a bunch of violent thugs.


Just out of curiosity, where are you getting your information from when you say that the majority of the North want to remain part of the UK?



http://www.ark.ac.uk/elections/

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Reply #5 - Jan 14th, 2011 at 8:12am
 
I dont believe the IRA speaks for the majority in Ireland as yet.
And I also don't believe Ireland is strong enough economically to stand alone outside of the UK.
I think Ireland needs the UK more than the UK needs Ireland.
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Reply #6 - Jan 14th, 2011 at 4:15pm
 
Soren, if you are using the latest elections as a guideline, then you've just shot yourself in the foot. There were more votes cast to Nationalist parties than Unionist parties Smiley
Anyway, I'm not here to defend the IRA etc, I'm just curious as to what people think. The IRA are gone, however, the splinter groups remain, and they seem to be growing in membership, but national support is pretty much non-existent.
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Reply #7 - Jan 14th, 2011 at 4:17pm
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 14th, 2011 at 8:12am:
And I also don't believe Ireland is strong enough economically to stand alone outside of the UK.
I think Ireland needs the UK more than the UK needs Ireland.


Why do you think that? It's not about who needs who more, it's about self-determination for people living in the North.

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Reply #8 - Jan 14th, 2011 at 4:25pm
 
So Northern Ireland wants to be independent or just integrated into Ireland?
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Reply #9 - Jan 14th, 2011 at 10:59pm
 
Latest demographics show that it's even! It was 70 % protestant (unionist) and 30% catholic (nationalist) 30 years ago. But the catholics are breading like rabbits these days
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Reply #10 - Jan 14th, 2011 at 11:06pm
 
JC Denton wrote on Jan 14th, 2011 at 7:39am:
Think about it. You're asking people what they think of the IRA when you're the one who originally made this thread in the "Extremism Exposed" forum. Even you know.


Have a think about what you've wrote. Read it back to yourself and see does it make sense.
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Reply #11 - Jan 15th, 2011 at 9:16pm
 
They are basically all part of Europe anyway.
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Reply #12 - Jan 15th, 2011 at 10:20pm
 
While I was sympathetic to the cause of Irish independence I disapproved of the PIRA and its methods. Now the issue is (mostly) resolved the PIRA has become respectable and members are now MPs etc. and there is a real peace in NI.

Unfortunately there are those who cannot let go of the past for whatever reason, be it a real conviction about uniting all of Ireland, or just that they get a kick out of being rebels fighting for a cause, or becuse there is money to be made in being a so-called 'freedom fighter'.

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Reply #13 - Jan 17th, 2011 at 11:58am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 14th, 2011 at 8:12am:
I dont believe the IRA speaks for the majority in Ireland as yet.
And I also don't believe Ireland is strong enough economically to stand alone outside of the UK.
I think Ireland needs the UK more than the UK needs Ireland.


Ireland hasn't "needed" the UK since it joined the EU. Mind you, it would seem that they need the IMF now more than anybody.

But on the original question - does the IRA fight imperialism and capitalism? I doubt it. I'm not sure what role the IRA and its political affiliates play in Irish politics, but Ireland has some of the lowest company taxes in Europe and headquarters a bulk of European multinational corporations.

To be honest, I thought the unification issue had been resolved. It would be good if someone who has real knowledge of Irish politics posted here as I'd love to know more.
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Reply #14 - Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:14pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 17th, 2011 at 11:58am:
Ireland hasn't "needed" the UK since it joined the EU. Mind you, it would seem that they need the IMF now more than anybody.


You're not wrong there.

Karnal wrote on Jan 17th, 2011 at 11:58am:
But on the original question - does the IRA fight imperialism and capitalism? I doubt it. I'm not sure what role the IRA and its political affiliates play in Irish politics, but Ireland has some of the lowest company taxes in Europe and headquarters a bulk of European multinational corporations.


The IRA, and I speak of the Provisional IRA the one we all know, decommissioned their weapons nearly 6 years ago. Their political wing, Sinn Fein, are the 2nd biggest party in the Northern Irish assembly (which is still under the fiscal control of Westminster). They're in a co-alition with the Unionist Party.
In the South of Ireland, Sinn Fein look set to be the largest party in opposition after next months general election, judging by opinion polls.

Karnal wrote on Jan 17th, 2011 at 11:58am:
To be honest, I thought the unification issue had been resolved. It would be good if someone who has real knowledge of Irish politics posted here as I'd love to know more.


No, the unification issue isn't really touched upon by the major political parties, not since the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 which outlined that it's up to the people of Northern Ireland to decide their future. There hasn't been a border poll since the 70's and the majority of Republicans boycotted the poll as they didn't recognise Northern Ireland as a legitimate country.

But as someone here said there are still some people who want to fight on, the so-called 'dissident republicans' who are completely against the peace process outlined by the Good Friday Agreement. They still continue to recruit young working class guys in run-down areas of Dublin, Belfast and Limerick. These groups, namely the 'Real IRA', Continuity IRA and Oglaigh na hEireann, have been colaborating with each other over the past year and plan on extending their campaign back into Britain. Not sure what this will achieve. Perhaps these groups will use this to make the British troops come back onto the streets of Ireland in order to increase support for the IRA. Twisted, but it's happening.
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