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Reply #15 - May 19th, 2013 at 10:01am
 
What will the people in hell eat?

quran 88:6 No food will there be for them but a bitter Dhari'

quran: 69:36 Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds(pus)

quran: 37.062 : Is this better as a welcome, or the tree of Zaqqum?

quran37.063 : Lo! We have appointed it a torment for wrong-doers.

quran37.064 : Lo! it is a tree that springeth in the heart of hell.

quran37.065 : The shoots of its fruit-stalks are like the heads of devils:

quran37.066 : Truly they will eat thereof and fill their bellies therewith.

So once again allah and muhammad don't know.
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Will allah reward unbelievers?

qur'an. 9:17 It is not for the idolaters to tend Allah's sanctuaries, bearing witness against themselves of disbelief. As for such, their works are vain and in the Fire they will abide.

qur'an 9:69 As in the case of those before you: they were mightier than you in power, and more flourishing in wealth and children. They had their enjoyment of their portion: and ye have of yours, as did those before you; and ye indulge in idle talk as they did. They!- their work are fruitless in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will lose (all spiritual good).

Both verses say no.

But then qur'an.2:62 Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

Promises Christians, Jews and Sabians reward for their good deeds.

However quran 9:30;The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

A complete turnaround, allah willl curse them.

So we see that islam, allah, muhammad or the quran do not know: first they won't, then they will, then they won't allah curses them.
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Reply #16 - May 19th, 2013 at 10:15am
 

moses wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 10:01am:
What will the people in hell eat?

quran 88:6 No food will there be for them but a bitter Dhari'

quran: 69:36 Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds(pus)

quran: 37.062 : Is this better as a welcome, or the tree of Zaqqum?

quran37.063 : Lo! We have appointed it a torment for wrong-doers.

quran37.064 : Lo! it is a tree that springeth in the heart of hell.

quran37.065 : The shoots of its fruit-stalks are like the heads of devils:

quran37.066 : Truly they will eat thereof and fill their bellies therewith.

So once again allah and muhammad don't know.
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Will allah reward unbelievers?

qur'an. 9:17 It is not for the idolaters to tend Allah's sanctuaries, bearing witness against themselves of disbelief. As for such, their works are vain and in the Fire they will abide.

qur'an 9:69 As in the case of those before you: they were mightier than you in power, and more flourishing in wealth and children. They had their enjoyment of their portion: and ye have of yours, as did those before you; and ye indulge in idle talk as they did. They!- their work are fruitless in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will lose (all spiritual good).

Both verses say no.

But then qur'an.2:62 Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

Promises Christians, Jews and Sabians reward for their good deeds.

However quran 9:30;The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

A complete turnaround, allah willl curse them.

So we see that islam, allah, muhammad or the quran do not know: first they won't, then they will, then they won't allah curses them.


Do you quote anything from the Torah?

Or God forbid, the Talmud???

Why would this be the case Moses? What are you hiding? What exactly are you afraid of?

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Reply #17 - May 19th, 2013 at 10:38am
 
Chimp_Logic wrote on May 19th, 2013 at 10:15am:

Do you quote anything from the Torah?

Or God forbid, the Talmud???

Why would this be the case Moses? What are you hiding? What exactly are you afraid of?




chimp,

Here are some Torah quotes for you, about COVENANT BREAKERS;

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1238715411/458#458

and some more, here;
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1294224584/11#11i
The Talmud???

Torah is Jewish scripture, from God.

The Talmud is of man.


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Reply #18 - May 19th, 2013 at 1:50pm
 
Moses is a Zealot Christian, Chimp.   He has a place already booked on his new Ma'sada.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #19 - May 20th, 2013 at 3:37pm
 
The qur'an has a special place where the sun sets and rises

qur'an 18:86 Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

qur'an 18:90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom.

According to allah, muhammad and the qur'an, the earth is flat, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? It does not say, he went as far as possible on land in these directions and then observed the sun-rise or sun-set while standing at this shore.

A sunrise / sunset there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is rising or setting "over the horizon".

It does say, that he reached THE SETTING PLACE where the sun sets (in a muddy spring) and in his second journey THE RISING PLACE where it rises.

Once again an utterly stupid flaw in islam and the qur'an
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Reply #20 - May 20th, 2013 at 4:36pm
 
Hey Moses I found another verse that I find curiously relevant:

"And Lo! There will be amongst you great imbeciles who will be incapable of detecting even the most simple metaphors!"

prophetic wouldn't you say?
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Reply #21 - May 20th, 2013 at 6:04pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 20th, 2013 at 4:36pm:
Hey Moses I found another verse that I find curiously relevant:

"And Lo! There will be amongst you great imbeciles who will be incapable of detecting even the most simple metaphors!"

prophetic wouldn't you say?


So what does the Quran say about embryology?

Did Mo copy the flawed works of Galen?

Your Allah is a dumbfvckistani, i use the embryology in the Quran as evidence.
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Reply #22 - May 21st, 2013 at 12:34pm
 
The Bible is considered divinely inspired and it is full of contradictory passages! So, why pick exclusively on the Koran?

Ah, the unfathomable minds of bigots.   Grin
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Reply #23 - May 21st, 2013 at 5:36pm
 
Should you be kind to your parents at all times?

17:23 : Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour.

17.24 : And, out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say: "My Lord! bestow on them thy Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood."

31.14 : And We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him, and in years twain was his weaning: (hear the command), "Show gratitude to Me and to thy parents: to Me is (thy final) Goal.

32.15: "But if they strive to make thee join in worship with Me things of which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not; yet bear them company in this life with justice (and consideration), and follow the way of those who turn to me (in love): in the end the return of you all is to Me, and I will tell you the truth (and meaning) of all that ye did."

29.8 : We have enjoined on man kindness to parents: but if they (either of them) strive (to force) thee to join with Me (in worship) anything of which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not. Ye have (all) to return to me, and I will tell you (the truth) of all that ye did.

In all of the above, the quran commands all Muslims to show kindness to their parents, even if they are disbelievers.


However true to form:
9:23O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers.

58:22: Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity.

On the other hand, it demands not to show any love or friendship to those who oppose muhammad, even if they are their parents.

Don't forget muslims will kill you over this book of flaws.
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Reply #24 - May 22nd, 2013 at 4:12pm
 
Who causes the evil in our lives?

38:41: And make mention (O Muhammad) of Our bondman Job, when he cried unto his Lord (saying): Lo! the devil doth afflict me with distress and torment.

First it's the devil

4:79: Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah; but whatever evil happens to thee, is from thy (own) soul. and We have sent thee as a messenger to (instruct) mankind. And enough is Allah for a witness.

Oops no it's not blame your own soul.

4:78: Wheresoever ye may be, death will overtake you, even though ye were in lofty towers. Yet if a happy thing befalleth them they say: This is from Allah; and if an evil thing befalleth them they say: This is of thy doing (O Muhammad). Say (unto them): All is from Allah. What is amiss with these people that they come not nigh to understand a happening?

Well then again let's blame allah.

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Reply #25 - May 22nd, 2013 at 11:37pm
 
Perhaps we should look at The Bible, Moses?  Divinely Inspired, or so it is claimed and yet is is full of contradictions:

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God good to all, or just a few?

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

[Editor's note: Some readers have raised an objection to this alleged contradiction. They point out that PSA 145:20 states that The Lord keeps all who love Him, but that He will destroy the wicked. In other words, some see no contradiction between "The Lord is good to all" and JER 13:14. Others contend, however, that even if the Lord destroys the wicked he could do so with compassion, pity, and mercy. Further, there are biblical examples that indicate that the Lord is not necessarily "good" or merciful--even to those who are not wicked. One such example is Job. As one reader points out, "If Psalm 145:9 was not a contradiction of Psalm 145:20 or Jeremiah 13:14, it would read something like this: "The LORD is good to all, except the wicked: and his tender mercies are over all his works, except when He is punishing the wicked." In any case, the idea that the Lord is good and merciful is contradicted by countless examples in the Bible where God orders the destruction of infants, personally kills David's infant child, etc.]
War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Which first--beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
How many stalls and horsemen?

1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

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Reply #26 - May 22nd, 2013 at 11:39pm
 
And a few more...
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Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1CO 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
Human vs. ghostly impregnation

ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Rabbits do not chew their cud

LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

"Gerah," the term which appears in the MT means (chewed) cud, and also perhaps grain, or berry (also a 20th of a sheckel, but I think that we can agree that that is irrelevant here). It does *not* mean dung, and there is a perfectly adequate Hebrew word for that, which could have been used. Furthermore, the phrase translated "chew the cud" in the KJV is more exactly "bring up the cud." Rabbits do not bring up anything; they let it go all the way through, then eat it again. The description given in Leviticus is inaccurate, and that's that. Rabbits do eat their own dung; they do not bring anything up and chew on it.
Fowl from waters or ground?

GEN 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Odd genetics

GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.
The shape of the earth

ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Astronomical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from anyplace. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt

GEN 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Earth supported?

JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Heaven supported too

JOB 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.

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Reply #27 - May 22nd, 2013 at 11:40pm
 
Perhaps few more, Moses?
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The hydrological cycle

ECC 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

JOB 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

Storehouses are not part of the cycle
Order of creation

Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Note that there are "days," "evenings," and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim," which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods." In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good."

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)

How orderly were things created?
#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days."
#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

How satisfied with creation was he?
#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)
Moses' personality

NUM 12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth."

NUM 31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."
Righteous live?

PSA 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."

ISA 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."

ACT 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

MAT 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field."
Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?

MAT 5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."

LUK 6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."

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Reply #28 - May 23rd, 2013 at 3:17pm
 
Thanks for input Brian, good to see a bit of *balance*.

Now to get back on topic:

The inerrant Koran ???

We all known the dangers posed by this flawed book, it urges it's followers to slaughter innocent men, women and children. (something they do on a daily basis around the globe)

We also know muslims work themselves into a euphoric stupor, then will kill people in the most horrific manner possible, over the qur'an. 


So let's see: Is the word of allah true, can it be changed?

6:115: Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. There is naught that can change His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

6:34: Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.

10:64: For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity.

All of the above say nothing can change the word of allah

However once again we see a turnaround:

2:106 None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?

16:101: And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.

Then allah and muhammad change their mind, the original word of allah is untrue, so change it for something else.

This flawed book is the instigator of islamic atrocities being committed on a daily basis around the world.
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Reply #29 - May 23rd, 2013 at 10:47pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 22nd, 2013 at 11:37pm:
Divinely Inspired, or so it is claimed and yet is is full of contradictions:


Inspired. Have you ever been inspired to write or say something?

Dictated. Have you ever written down a dictated text?


Can you really, really not tell the difference?

Or are you just clutching at every possible excuse, no matter how stupidly far-fetched, just so you can continue to block your ears, shut your yes and shout 'I can't hear you, I can't see you'?





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