Soren wrote on May 25
th, 2013 at 2:36pm:
Cheeses !! DO we now have to validate and accept and nurture every fvckn point of view? Including the Islamic one which eradicates every other point of view when it's got the numbers?
As would Christianity if it was allowed to, as would any other religion, if was allowed to. Not that long ago, in our non-liberal democracy, Aborigines were being actively genocided, Soren. Any dominant social or religious or "race" will seek to ensure it's domination is complete. Our liberal democracy by ensuring that (nearly) all viewpoints are tolerated and even protected, prevents that domination.
You, on the otherhand seem to want to prevent Muslims even from expressing their viewpoint for some reason. That you don't apply the same attitudes to others merely reinforces the point that your views are bigoted.
Quote:ANd don't tell me that in a liberal democracy you've had a limited variety of points of view until Islam was imported?
We have had Islam in Australia since the arrival of the first fleet (and perhaps even before through Maccassian traders), Soren. Until the advent of mass migration post-war and Multiculturalism, indeed we had a very limited variety of points of view in our society. How old are you? 20 years? 30 years? From my perspective of 50+ years I can remember how sterile and bland Australian society and life was before the advent of Multiculturalism. You'd prefer to return us to that period it would seem.
Quote:Or that you have to actually have large number of anti-freedom Muslims in your midst to know what point of view they represent.
You have yet to prove we have a "large number of anti-freedom Muslims in your midst," Soren. That is just your prejudices talking.
Quote:And what is positive about Islam, how is it an improvement on liberal democracy and freedom.
It provides inputs critical of them from some Muslims and reinforces them from others. Criticism is never a bad thing, if based upon valid premises and if accepted and answered, Soren.
Quote:Christianity, among other things, has given you freedom, human rights and liberal democracy. These thing did not develop anywhere except in the Christian West - not under islam or Hinduism or the dreamtime or among native Americans or anywhere in Africa or Asia. Only in the West and only because the fundamental Christian tenet of equality before god. It all comes from that. And no other religion has it, Only Christianity - that's why these good things originate in the West.
The church fought against them but was ultimately lost the battle to its own fundamental doctrine -equality before god.
Which is the fundamental doctrine of Islam as well, Soren.

As you, yourself point out, the Church saw the rise of secularism and humanism, which are the fundamental basis of modern human and democratic rights as anti-theoretical. They occurred DESPITE the Christian Churches, not because of them.
Matthew 7:16

Your have betrayed yet again your ignorance, your prejudice and of course your bigotry and all in a few sentences. Well done!
Quote:And hey, you do not even have to be a Christian to enjoy its fruits and inheritance.
Where have I said that, Soren? Erecting strawmen again?
Quote:WHat are Islam's fruits?
How Islam invented a bright new worldWill you read it though, with an open mind?

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